Thanks Lance; I'll drop Mike a line

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helv, Helvetica, Sans">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helv, Helvetica, Sans">Originally posted by StLouisTom:
<strong>Does your Prado bar make use of the srs air bags?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helv, Helvetica, Sans">Hmmm, interesting question.

The bumper specifically says that it shouldn't be installed on a vehicle with air bags. I paid no mind. I assume that this was a warning for the Prado, which probably uses crush cans for air bag deployment. On the 4Runner, the bumper doesn't have the first sensor of any kind in it, so I don't see any reason it would adversely effect the air bag system. I feel safer with that bumper anyway you slice it. I have seen people with ARBs do some heavy damage with out so much as a scratch on the bumper...

Ive seen the damage done vs. damage taken too, and its a big reason why I want one. But Ive also worked a number of accident scenes where airbags have kept people from eating their steering wheels and windshields and am a permanent beliver in their effectiveness. I didnt know the 4Runner didnt have the first sensor, though, and that would probably make all the difference.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helv, Helvetica, Sans">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helv, Helvetica, Sans">Originally posted by 44Runner:
<strong> ...On the 4Runner, the bumper doesn't have the first sensor of any kind in it...</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helv, Helvetica, Sans">Hey 44Runner, I have a 96, and have this sensor on my body behind the bumper, do you have that too.. or are you saying that you only have 1 inside the cab..?
<img src="http://pics.montypics.com/hiluxrunner/2003-02-19/whatsthis3a.jpg" alt=" - " />

I agree <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> *cough* it's better *cough* Prado bar is better, Pix in my sig

<small>[ February 19, 2003, 07:30 PM: Message edited by: NJ ]</small>

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helv, Helvetica, Sans">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helv, Helvetica, Sans">Originally posted by NJ:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helv, Helvetica, Sans">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helv, Helvetica, Sans">Originally posted by 44Runner:
<strong> ...On the 4Runner, the bumper doesn't have the first sensor of any kind in it...</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helv, Helvetica, Sans">Hey 44Runner, I have a 96, and have this sensor on my body behind the bumper, do you have that too.. or are you saying that you only have 1 inside the cab..?
<img src="http://pics.montypics.com/hiluxrunner/2003-02-19/whatsthis3a.jpg" alt=" - " />

I agree <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> *cough* it's better *cough* Prado bar is better, Pix in my sig</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helv, Helvetica, Sans">NOPE. I don't have that sensor. Just went out to double check, and it is most definately not there. There is a wire with a plug on the end of it that ends up in that very place though, but it isn't plugged into anything. This is the first time I have noticed it....

The Prado bar is better if you want a set of wings to take off with. It is without a doubt made for a completely different vehicle. There are huge gaps between the fenders and the bumper and the contour of the bumper follows some other fender line. Better I guess is in the eye of the beholder. I'm still waiting for Dan to actually drive his 44Runner and die in the first street voyage due to 110 ôIÆm just learingö wonder welds flying apart and death wobble beyond belief. Have a cemetery plot picked out yet? Oh yeah, *cough* wobble wooble wooble *cough*.

In all seriousness, a group of us had a pretty good laugh over your SAS pics. We are personally going to vote you the "Death Wobble" champion of the free world. I think "he's gonna die" came up well over 10 times.

Here is the bottom like on the ARB versus the TJM. ARB you will need to cut off part of your frame. It will be gone forever and you will never be able to put the stock bumper on again. A TJM will bolt right on.

The ARB Tacoma bar will fit nicely, the Prado is the one I feel does not. Both ARB bars will require you to butcher your frame. Both TJM will not.

What cemetery can I plan on visiting? IÆll prop my ISF up on your headstone. Actually drive it 500 feet and prove me wrong. The wonders of not being on staff anymore, I can tell you what I really think and you canÆt tell on me anymore. <img border="0" alt="[Baby]" title="" src="graemlins/baby.gif" />

So ST LOUIS TOM, you want to cut the frame on a 2002 4Runner? I donÆt think so.

The airbag sensors on the 99+ are yellow and are up on the fender wells. Not in the bumper.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helv, Helvetica, Sans">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helv, Helvetica, Sans">Originally posted by sschaefer3:
<strong>The Prado bar is better if you want a set of wings to take off with. It is without a doubt made for a completely different vehicle. There are huge gaps between the fenders and the bumper and the contour of the bumper follows some other fender line. Better I guess is in the eye of the beholder. I'm still waiting for Dan to actually drive his 44Runner and die in the first street voyage due to 110 &#8220;I&#8217;m just learing&#8221; wonder welds flying apart and death wobble beyond belief. Have a cemetery plot picked out yet? Oh yeah, *cough* wobble wooble wooble *cough*.

In all seriousness, a group of us had a pretty good laugh over your SAS pics. We are personally going to vote you the "Death Wobble" champion of the free world. I think "he's gonna die" came up well over 10 times.

Here is the bottom like on the ARB versus the TJM. ARB you will need to cut off part of your frame. It will be gone forever and you will never be able to put the stock bumper on again. A TJM will bolt right on.

The ARB Tacoma bar will fit nicely, the Prado is the one I feel does not. Both ARB bars will require you to butcher your frame. Both TJM will not.

What cemetery can I plan on visiting? I&#8217;ll prop my ISF up on your headstone. Actually drive it 500 feet and prove me wrong. The wonders of not being on staff anymore, I can tell you what I really think and you can&#8217;t tell on me anymore. <img border="0" alt="[Baby]" title="" src="graemlins/baby.gif" />

So ST LOUIS TOM, you want to cut the frame on a 2002 4Runner? I don&#8217;t think so.

The airbag sensors on the 99+ are yellow and are up on the fender wells. Not in the bumper.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helv, Helvetica, Sans">As the sarcasm flies.... Steve are you talking about Dave??? I think someone's gonna be humbled in a few weeks. I'll take videos for you Steve. We'll check out that "death wobble" you are hoping for. Oh and the "just learning" welds might just surprise you old guy <img border="0" alt="[Hillbilly]" title="" src="graemlins/notooth.gif" />

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helv, Helvetica, Sans">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helv, Helvetica, Sans">Originally posted by VaBeach99Jade:
<strong>As the sarcasm flies.... Steve are you talking about Dave??? I think someone's gonna be humbled in a few weeks. I'll take videos for you Steve. We'll check out that "death wobble" you are hoping for. Oh and the "just learning" welds might just surprise you old guy <img border="0" alt="[Hillbilly]" title="" src="graemlins/notooth.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, Helv, Helvetica, Sans">Bring it. Nothing beats real life. Make sure you both have Motocycle helmets and plenty of Dirt Bike body armor.

Make sure you turn the "steady cam" feature on, we don't want to confuse camera shake with vehicle shake.

ISF = Independent Super Fun!

Steve, once again you prove to be a jealous moron. It is funny that you critque my welds, when I'm sure you have just about as much experience as I do. The funniest part though would have to be that I DIDN'T DO ANY OF THE WELDING ON MY TRUCK. That was done with a very expensive 220 Miller MIG owned by my roommate who did all my welding and who is a very good and experienced welder. Besides, show me a picture where you can even see one of these bad welds you speak of. In short, bite me Steve.

If you in all your infinite knowledge could show me one bad thing about my SAS, I would be stunned. I guess this "group" is as dumb as you are.

I had many people thinking that I was never gonna do it and that it was all talk. They about fainted when I hacked the front end off. They were then sure that I would never be able to pull it off, or pull it off well. All those people have now admitted that they were wrong. At least these were friends of mine and I didn't mind their ribbing. You sir, are not a friend. In fact most people on this board think you are the biggest *(use your imagination)* ever.

In the end, the fact remains that while trashing my SAS, you haven't pointed out anything wrong with it. Simply stating that it is gonna kill me is pretty stupid, even for you. There have been pictures of it on Pirate before. I am not affraid of people seeing it because I believe it to be a fine piece of work. Prove me wrong...

<small>[ February 20, 2003, 12:04 PM: Message edited by: 44Runner ]</small>