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Questions, rebuilding 22re #735338 07/04/06 02:22 PM
Anonymous
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I'm putting my 22re back together. Which bolts do I thread lock and which get antisieze? Does the exhaust manifold get antisieze? Do the head/rockerarm assembly bolts get threadlock? Is there a general list?

Also, any gasket removal advice?

Thanks,
Dean

Re: Questions, rebuilding 22re #735339 07/05/06 12:44 PM
Anonymous
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Any help?

Re: Questions, rebuilding 22re #735340 07/05/06 01:49 PM
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I'm putting my 22re back together. Which bolts do I thread lock and which get antisieze? Does the exhaust manifold get antisieze? Do the head/rockerarm assembly bolts get threadlock? Is there a general list?

Also, any gasket removal advice?

Thanks,


Dean


Well, for me personally, I locktite the head and exhaust bolts. As a general rule of thumb, I'll locktite any bolts that I know aren't coming back apart anytime soon. I usually
Anti-Seize caliper, wheel studs, spark-plugs and such, because of their nature to freeze up. Also it helps them thread easier. As far as gasket removal, a razer blade and patience works well, just watch out for your fingers <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/scared.gif" alt="" />. Torqueing everything to proper specs is also a must.

Re: Questions, rebuilding 22re #735341 07/05/06 02:49 PM
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I'm putting my 22re back together. Which bolts do I thread lock and which get antisieze? Does the exhaust manifold get antisieze? Do the head/rockerarm assembly bolts get threadlock? Is there a general list?

Also, any gasket removal advice?

Thanks,
Dean


>>>*As a general rule of thumb, any fastner that will be exposed to serious heat or moisture will benefit from antisieze. So spark plug threads, exhaust manifold bolts are the ones we apply that too.

Some folks will use a tiny amount of thread lock compound on the tensioner bolts, but any fastner that is properly torqued to specs and in good shape will NEVER come loose. The other concern is thread locking compounds rely on friction to work, and the result will be an inaccurate torque reading.

I would not agree on locking compound on critical fastners such as rod bolts or head bolts, far better to make sure the threads are clean and well oiled and get the number correct..

*For gasket removal, there is a special grease called "elbow"...*LOL**....we sometimes use a little penetrant such as CRC or WD-40 combined with a good non-flexible scraper blade. Look for one that you almost can't bend the blade, this saves on fingers. We keep the scrapers a bit on the dull side to feep from nicking metal..

The temptation is to reach for sanding discs but we don't use them in our shop, all will remove metal unless great care is used, even the ones that claim they won't......*EB


*Beats the he** outa me!....*LOL**...
Re: Questions, rebuilding 22re [Re: engnbldr] #735342 07/06/06 12:39 AM
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i like to use a good antisieze on my head and main bolts to keep them from seizing up. all it takes is to have one snap off or gall the threads to make you do that.


'79 sport 4x4 longbed <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
20/22R hybrid with EB's OS valves, 268c cam, offy intake, weber 32/36, thorley header, 5 speed swap, 34" LTBs, downey 3" springs, marlin hysteer, 4.88s and locked

'91 4x4 shortbed
22R-E, W56, the dd!
Re: Questions, rebuilding 22re #735343 07/06/06 06:33 AM
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spungo Offline
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> I'm putting my 22re back together. Which bolts do I thread lock

I don't recall anything in the engine that requires thread lock. There's at least one oil pump bolt that needs sealer. While I may be wrong, I remember assembly as being very straightforward.

> and which get antisieze? Does the exhaust manifold get antisieze?

Absolutely. That and a bit on the spark plug threads. Can't think of any other place where it's a must. Make sure your fasteners are in primo condition, don't take any short cuts, and your need for little tubes of stuff will be scant. Be diligent with the torque wrenches.

> Do the head/rockerarm assembly bolts get threadlock?

I wouldn't do that. I used ARP assembly lube as directed with their head studs. But no matter what, I'd avoid locktite on the head bolts. If you recheck the torque after breaking in the rebuild, then again with each valve adjustment, you shouldn't have a problem. Again, make sure all threads and mating surfaces are clean, no matter how much trouble it requires.

I'll lock the threads on ring gears and cheap exhaust clamps. Other than that, can't think of any must-use application. I'm sure I'm forgettin' something, tho.

> Is there a general list?

FSM

> Also, any gasket removal advice?

I use a can of brake cleaner and a pick set to carefully lift away as much gasket in one piece as possible. With care and good lighting you can work wonders with the picks. Strips of scrap hardwood (as hard as possible) cut at an angle on a miter saw serve me well as scrapers. Cheap Harbor Freight brushes and lots of fingertip evaluation of the mating surface. Don't do anything to risk the integrity of the surface, no matter how frustrating the process becomes.

Like with the fasteners, accept no compromise - there's only two states: completely smooth and not completely smooth.

I don't care much for gasket sealer, so I took a page from the Old Timer's Book of Mechanical Lunacy and put mine back together using ONLY GREASE on all the gaskets suitable for RTV (except for the half moons, of course). If it didn't work, fine....get another gasket set from Ted and have fun cracking her open again. Good excuse to get that head and cam, too.

But, it worked great! A year later, no leaks of any kind and I'll thank myself when I bust it open soon (yeah, I'm getting that head and cam innyhoo).


1986 Sunrader Motorhome 22RE $200
1987 4Runner 22RE (under construction) $80.77
1989 4Runner 22RE, 6" lift, 35" Dunlop mudders $420
All rescued from sitting to death, all auto, 'cuz I'm too dumb to drive a standard.
Re: Questions, rebuilding 22re #735344 07/06/06 07:20 AM
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Scerb Offline
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Also, any gasket removal advice?


They make a spray can of "gasket remover" which any auto parts store should carry. Worked pretty good when I used it. WD-40 or brake cleaner works almost as good as well.

-Scerb

Re: Questions, rebuilding 22re #735345 07/06/06 12:54 PM
Anonymous
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Thanks every one!

Re: Questions, rebuilding 22re #735346 07/06/06 07:33 PM
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Esquire812 Offline
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I use sealer on the top oil pump bolt, sealer on the 12mm water pump bolt and loc-tite on the flywheel bolts. And thats it. Everything else gets cleaned up threads and a light oiling then torque to spec.

Having fun yet?? I love tearing down and building the 22R series.

~Darin <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/baby.gif" alt="" />


88' 4x4 *22R-EB Gen II*
87' $Runner *22R-EB Gen I*
85' Sillyca 22R-Esq

"I LIVE IN MY OWN WORLD...THEY KNOW ME WELL THERE"
Re: Questions, rebuilding 22re [Re: Esquire812] #735347 07/07/06 12:28 AM
Anonymous
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never oil fasteners ,once you start putting force to em the oil will run away from the force,always use a thread lube .like the assembly lube from ARP.little goes a long way

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