Yeah that's what I was thinking, I looked around for oil build up anywhere, just figuring I might be able to spot a leak, but I didn't see any. But like I said, both the condensor and radiator look new like maybe this thing had some front end damage repaired, so all of the oil may have come out with the refrigerant when that happened or when the condensor was replaced......who knows. I'm just filling the thing up with 134 and see what happens, I paid $200 for the thing, it's got 160K on it, if I smoke it who cares, I'll deal with it then. I'll let you know what happens Monday. Thanks for the help. Mike.