In Hawaii we have Ethanol in the fuel .Just was wondering if the other States have it also.I have heard in the news of gas tank,Carburator or fuel injection problems due to having Ethanol in the gas right now.I would like to know others experience with the Toyota trucks.So far I have 3 trucks and no fuel problems yet.

Yeah, that is because news is frequently owned by rich individuals who are sometimes tied with big oil. 25 years ago they told my dad (a farmer) that it would ruin the valves in his old International M. Because he knew that ethanol helped farmers (and even our environment) he used it anyway. Guess what - tractor is still running on a minimum of 10% ethanol.

I think 10% is no problem, but aside from the news/oil conglomerate, too much is supposed to acidically eat toyota fuel lines etc.

>>>*We regularly run 10% locally, no problems at all with the advantage of much less cases of water buildup in the tanks from condensation since alcohol tends to absorb it.

Vehicles stored for a long time in areas with temperature extremes will sometimes experience poor operation for awhile due to phase seperation in the tank but that should clear up in a few miles driving....*EB

Speaking of running rough with ethonal, we tried 15% it in a 91 Honda accord 4 cyl, and could barely keep it running at idle or anywhere near idle. But that car has 338,000 miles too.

I definately remember when they started running it here about ~15 years ago in the winter time that everyone was having fuel filter problems on a pretty regular basis. My whole family would go through a couple of fuel filters during the winter. After a few years of this, the problems seemed to go away.

I heard that it may have had something to do with the gunk being cleaned out of the tanks with the ethenal and plugging up the fuel filters, but who knows.

You know if we just went to one national blend of fuel, that should help reduce the cost refining it and therefore the price. Kind of funny, that there's no push for that. I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that they want all the excuses they can muster to keep the prices high.

In Denver, most gas station have 10% ethanol. Some stations here or there don't, but they want a lot more for the pure stuff.

Running 10% doesn't do anything bad to the motor. Just a little less mpg. Gasoline has more energy per unit vs. ethanol.

I want to know if I could run on the new E85 stuff with a 22re, it seems to be $1 less per gallon. I do know that it is suppose to be a lot harsher on the rubber because it is not as lubricative as gasoline. So could I run a tank of E85 then use gas for a coulple of tanks, ect... Or run a different mix (50/50). What kind of adjustments do you have to do to make E85 work in the 22re/older models?

Just some thoughts and Questions that I hope someone else can answer.

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The thing with ethanol, or alcohol for that matter, is: it takes more of it to run your engine - that may be why the aforementioned Honda didn't run - it wasn't getting enough fuel (perhaps the injectors couldn't keep up).

Now, I'm no engineer, but I have done some research. While it may take a bit more fuel, the higher octane and cleaner burn gives more bang for the buck (literally).

On top of that, I'd rather my money go to support farmers (the less corporate the better) than the rich oil tycoons. On top of even that, it is better for the environment.

Here's an E85 thread from a few months ago...

http://www.4x4wire.com/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB11&Number=883519

Yeah, sorta, it is better for farmers, but it takes a lot of oil to make ethanol especialy out of corn. Corn doesnt grow well by itself, so you have to dump lots of petroleum based fertilizers, and pesticides on it, to grow it. I talked to a farmer about this, and they use the corn to feed cattle even and sell teh waste to ethonal plants. It takes 250 gallons of oil to grow a corn fed cow, the ethonal is jsut a little extra. Switchgrass is better, but you cant grow fat cows with it, and make fuel.
THe best bet we have is trains, and buses, but people would rather make wider highways, and bigger more distant suburbs.