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Re: Raider V8 Project 345hp [Re: LandRaider] #763071 11/07/06 06:14 AM
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Did the LS series motors not have a NV4500 option?? I figured there woudl be a factory GM bellhousing for your app. Some badass junkyard engineering there on that Bellhousing.

I know you did it on the cheap. I can tell too. Not because of the quality, but because of the DIY attitude. I think thats killer too. Making your own bellhousing. SHeesh man. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" /> Thats cool.

I don't know what question to ask next. haha


- There would have been many solutions for the bellhousing, but not GM original bolt on solutions. There were kits available that I could have used and maybe could have avoided some thinking and work. Unfortunately these kits were for 96-up NV4500 design, but I already had NV4500 from 1994. So if I wanted to go for some kit, then I would have needed to get newer tranny... if only money wouldn't be an issue and we could get what we want<img src="/forums/images/graemlins/baby.gif" alt="" />... Anyway, at the end the most important thing that matters is to ask - "Does it work?". If it does and is reliable, then let's go for it!

If someone knows some other combination (proven or not), NV4500 to Chevy 3rd gen small block, please let me know

Last edited by 777; 11/07/06 09:58 AM.

Raider 6.0 V8 386hp, 397ft lb, 3?exhaust, Megasquirt ECU, EDIS ignition, Innovate LC-1 WB Lambda, NV4500, NP241 with JB conversions ?super short? SYE kit
Re: Raider V8 Project 345hp [Re: 777] #763072 11/07/06 12:58 PM
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On your Megasquirt with EDIS, were you able to use the GM CPS, or did you mount a Ford trigger wheel to the crank pulley?

I'd settled on a 4.3l for my swap, but this success story is making me rethink. What kind of MPG are you getting with that beast in there?


1989 Montero LS
1997 Jeep Wrangler
Re: Raider V8 Project 345hp [Re: Homebrewer] #763073 11/07/06 05:12 PM
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777, everybody has said it but I have to do it too, you are the man!!! 345HP? compare that to the 109hp under my hood <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Hmmmm, How many things can I do with 345HP? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/drunk.gif" alt="" />

swweeettt. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/drunk.gif" alt="" />

Keep the pictures coming



Good job <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />


88 red Montero with the Dakar Special Edition decals, 438,000 miles (As of 7/23/2012) some occational blue puffing but still strong and counting!!! I am going ppsshhh (turbo), Stay tuned =) ...
Re: Raider V8 Project 345hp [Re: Homebrewer] #763074 11/07/06 07:08 PM
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777 Offline OP
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On your Megasquirt with EDIS, were you able to use the GM CPS, or did you mount a Ford trigger wheel to the crank pulley?

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- With EDIS you have to use Ford 36-1 trigger wheel as well


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I'd settled on a 4.3l for my swap, but this success story is making me rethink. What kind of MPG are you getting with that beast in there?


- 35.4 MPG <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> Actually with 33" tires I get close to 20MPG on a highway. In the city it really depends how to drive, it's around 10 - 16MPG. Not much more than original 2.6 carb
The fuel consumption is not a priority anyway


Raider 6.0 V8 386hp, 397ft lb, 3?exhaust, Megasquirt ECU, EDIS ignition, Innovate LC-1 WB Lambda, NV4500, NP241 with JB conversions ?super short? SYE kit
Re: Raider V8 Project 345hp [Re: 777] #763075 11/07/06 07:42 PM
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Poot on the pictures. I want to see it live. Where are you, 777?


Not responsible for advice not taken...
Re: Raider V8 Project 345hp [Re: 777] #763076 11/07/06 10:09 PM
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With EDIS you have to use Ford 36-1 trigger wheel as well


Very nice. I've read that Megasquirt II can use GM's DIS, but I wasn't sure if you can mix and match or if the 6.0 even had a signal that could easily be used by MS. The EDIS solution is the easiest as far as I can tell once you get the trigger wheel mounted.

Awesome work! Did you cut a trigger wheel or adapt one from a ford vehicle?


1989 Montero LS
1997 Jeep Wrangler
Re: Raider V8 Project 345hp [Re: Homebrewer] #763077 11/07/06 10:19 PM
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777 Offline OP
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With EDIS you have to use Ford 36-1 trigger wheel as well


Very nice. I've read that Megasquirt II can use GM's DIS, but I wasn't sure if you can mix and match or if the 6.0 even had a signal that could easily be used by MS. The EDIS solution is the easiest as far as I can tell once you get the trigger wheel mounted.

Awesome work! Did you cut a trigger wheel or adapt one from a ford vehicle?


I just used triggerwheel from Ford and matched it with the pulley
Don't know about DIS. EDIS is really proven and it works well. I've heard that 6.0 crank trigger wheel input can be used in MS, but it cannot be used for EDIS. EDIS needs 36-1.


Raider 6.0 V8 386hp, 397ft lb, 3?exhaust, Megasquirt ECU, EDIS ignition, Innovate LC-1 WB Lambda, NV4500, NP241 with JB conversions ?super short? SYE kit
Re: Raider V8 Project 345hp (added part 3 ) [Re: 777] #763078 11/08/06 03:42 AM
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Exhaust

I have to admit that there wasnÆt much science put into the exhaust. I havenÆt had much experience with V8 exhaust, so it was more of a question: ôHow to fit itö than ôHow should it be doneö.

All the people who are reading this post and who are more educated than me and know what works for V8 and what not, please put your comments in here.

Exhaust manifolds are stock. Definitely not the best solution, but I couldnÆt find anything else that would clear out with steering shaft. Long tube manifolds would have been probably be the best choice, but I guess they needed to be custom in that case, especially on driverÆs side to pass front driveshaft.
I cannot remember what was the manifold outlet flange diameter, but it was ôsmallö (maybe 2.5ö)

I looked some Silverados and Escalades exhausts and found out that some of them had a bigger diameter (3ö) exhaust than others (I guess 2.5-2.75). All the 3ö exhausts that I saw had first foot of tube still smaller diameter. Not sure was it desired or not, but I decided to do it the same way. I bought æ04 Silverado 3ö exhaust tubes from junk yard and used it mostly for turns. Both side manifolds are going into 2.7ö pipe that is about foot long and after the turn itÆs going into 3ö pipe.
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I wanted to get straight through muffler and as much volume as possible. Ideally 1 big muffler for both sides. My choice was Magnaflow 3 chamber straight through muffler. Not knowing exactly how am I going to use them I bought 2 of these and tried to fit them under the car but they got from one side too close to the frame and on the other side too close to driveshaft. I had to choose: either I use 1 muffler, or modify something to fit 2 of them to get better flow and more volume. I decided to combine somehow 2 of them into a small space. The biggest problem was width and as I wanted one big muffler instead of 2 smaller ones anyway, I connected them by cutting a slice from both of them. I also needed to cut open center section on one of them to be able to weld together inside walls. àStory is getting complicated, so I better put some pics up here<img src="/forums/images/graemlins/ignore.gif" alt="" />à

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At the first place the exhaust system was built with catalytic converters, after I made also resonators with the same length and flanges to replace cats. The resonator are showed below
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Some pics of the full exhaust building process:
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[img]http://i81.imagethrust.com/t/706541/exhinprocess5.jpg[/img]

For the building process the tubing was rigidly attached to the chassis and after adding hangers, these attachments were cut.
[img]http://i81.imagethrust.com/t/706491/hanger.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i81.imagethrust.com/t/706488/exhinprocess2.jpg[/img]

à and the comparison between original and newà
[img]http://i81.imagethrust.com/t/706492/exhcomp.jpg[/img]


The result.
The sound is good. Not too loud at idle or highway speed<img src="/forums/images/graemlins/sleeping.gif" alt="" />, but pretty aggressive at WOT<img src="/forums/images/graemlins/evil.gif" alt="" />. Power wise I donÆt know what to compare with. Power feels good, but I guess without reference it would feel good anyway either it has 10hp more or 10hp less. HavenÆt been on a dyno jet, will try to get there soon.

...If after seeing these pics some people want to ask where's the driver's seat going to be mounted <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />... give me some time, the next chapter will be "the Floor"

Last edited by 777; 11/08/06 03:54 AM.

Raider 6.0 V8 386hp, 397ft lb, 3?exhaust, Megasquirt ECU, EDIS ignition, Innovate LC-1 WB Lambda, NV4500, NP241 with JB conversions ?super short? SYE kit
Re: Raider V8 Project 345hp (added part 3 ) [Re: 777] #763079 11/08/06 03:55 AM
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Oh man, you ARE a 4x4wire ROCKSTAR! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />


- '92 LWB V6 3.0 5 sp
33x10.5 BFG M/Ts & Bouncy seat
- '95 LWB V6 3.0 Auto (Scrapped)
- '05 Montero Limited. Bone stock <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />
Re: Raider V8 Project 345hp (added part 3 ) [Re: stony-man] #763080 11/08/06 04:07 AM
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Yeah... No kidding. cmon over to my house. I've got a D44 in the axle bank for you to install.

This is something really new for most of us!!!

Lets see tire smoke!!


87 Raider 4D56td v5MT1
31's..Basically Stock
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