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Re: winter [Re: Neo] #767612 11/30/06 02:25 AM
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Bulletproof Offline
Getting the Wheeling Fever
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Assuming that 1 or more glow plugs is pooched...where/what to buy replacements?


As far as I know the green tops were a JDM only modification. They were 6v plugs that heated up really quickly when hit with 12 volts - for the impatient Japanese market? That is also why it is not recommended that you extend the time these plugs get power - they go from hot to burnt real fast.

Be careful where you buy them - get OEM parts if possible. Too many problems with the knock-offs/3d party plugs. I bought mine in Japan with Mitsu numbers on 'em.


1991 4D56T V44W JDM Mitsubishi Pajero
Re: winter [Re: Bulletproof] #767613 12/01/06 06:29 AM
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vlad4d56 Offline
Getting the Wheeling Fever
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[quote]Assuming that 1 or more glow plugs is pooched...where/what to buy replacements?


Mitsubishi used 3 different "start systems" on Pajero's.
And the glow plugs are different.
1. 12/6.2 V.
2.11 V.
3.12 V
Probably you have the 1 system. It should produce 12V for 4 sec(to start) and continue supply 6.2 V ( to support started engine) There are 2 rellay (you should hear them clicking)

Last edited by vlad4d56; 12/01/06 06:35 AM.
Re: winter [Re: PHIL_] #767614 12/01/06 07:04 AM
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torquemonster Offline
Body Damage is Cool
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Nigel, Princess Auto sells a twist knob that'll work fine: I had one set up in my petrol Montero, and can show you how I did it if you want? But how come your batteries are not running together for startup? Did you add one, or did it come with two? The OE config runs em together, acting like one big battery...


I bought it with 2 batteries and they came wired up that way...whatever, it works great for me. and yea I know I can get the manual knob for high idle but I am still pissed off I don't have the factory one. like what reason does somebody have to take that out of the truck???

Re: winter [Re: Brewmaster] #767615 12/05/06 03:25 PM
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bill_bly_ca Offline
Mudrunner
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It weren't purdy, but after cranking over for about 20 seconds she spit and coughed and away she went. I turned on the seat heaters,


I cranked last winter but this winter I have done the following.. Turn key, wait for glow relays to turn off, turn off key for 10 seconds, turn on again, wait for glow plug relays to turn off, turn off key again for 10 seconde etc etc.. Maybe one cycle for every 3 deg below zero. It was only -9 here this morning (Balmy sunny sothern Ontario) but she fired up fine after 4 of these on/off cycles. If you just turn from on to acc and back again the glow plug relays only click over for one or 2 seconds. You have to right back to off to get another 7 second glow cycle. Either the controll circuit resets with an off on the key or the 10 seconds with the key off allows some heat from the plug to sink to the heads. I am assuming it is the latter as the start up is much smoother than a crank only start.


97 Prado (LC 90 series) JDM import 2020 --- 2000 Galloper II SWB under offer from Korea
88 Mits Pajero LWB 185000Km 2.5TD JDM import (SOLD)
Re: winter [Re: bill_bly_ca] #767616 12/05/06 04:01 PM
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Macka Offline
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Has anyone taken a glow plug to the fuso dealership to see if they could find one here in Canada? I know the 2.8l TBD used in the smaller Fuso's is the same engine as used in the newer Paj's. I also know that the tranny in the Fuso might fit with a small body lift. But back on subject, if the 2.8 PN for the glowplug is the same then we can get plugs here in North America without getting hammered for shipping from Japan.


always working
Re: winter [Re: bill_bly_ca] #767617 12/05/06 04:46 PM
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Brewmaster Offline
Wheeler
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I cranked last winter but this winter I have done the following.. Turn key, wait for glow relays to turn off, turn off key for 10 seconds, turn on again, wait for glow plug relays to turn off, turn off key again for 10 seconde etc etc..


The problem at -30 is that it takes the engine 15-20 seconds to get a fast enough spin going to fire. Once it's spinning I back off, wait for 5 seconds, then cycle and spin again. That's when she fires up.


Kelvin
91 Pajero Exceed - Controls mounted curb-side for convenience
82 Mercedes 300SD
Re: winter [Re: Macka] #767618 12/05/06 04:50 PM
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Brewmaster Offline
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Has anyone taken a glow plug to the fuso dealership to see if they could find one here in Canada?


I've checked everywhere. The best - let me rephrase - the ONLY ones I could find were from Mitsubishi to the tune of $42.00 each. I ended up buying some NGK plugs that work but are 11v not 6.2v.


Kelvin
91 Pajero Exceed - Controls mounted curb-side for convenience
82 Mercedes 300SD
Re: winter [Re: Brewmaster] #767619 12/05/06 05:22 PM
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bill_bly_ca Offline
Mudrunner
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I've checked everywhere. The best - let me rephrase - the ONLY ones I could find were from Mitsubishi to the tune of $42.00 each. I ended up buying some NGK plugs that work but are 11v not 6.2v.


Did you bypass the ballast resistor then to get the full 11V to the new plugs?


97 Prado (LC 90 series) JDM import 2020 --- 2000 Galloper II SWB under offer from Korea
88 Mits Pajero LWB 185000Km 2.5TD JDM import (SOLD)
Re: winter [Re: bill_bly_ca] #767620 12/05/06 05:56 PM
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Brewmaster Offline
Wheeler
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I ended up buying some NGK plugs that work but are 11v not 6.2v.


Did you bypass the ballast resistor then to get the full 11V to the new plugs?


Nope. I just took out the greentops and put in the NGK's. I thought about doing that but I didn't feel too comfortable doubling the voltage to the plugs for an extended period. In theory it should be fine but.... Anyway, I'm still hunting for the Greentops. The NGK plugs were $7.00 each plus $10.00 shipping from the states. So for less than the price of one Greentop from Mits I have 4 NGK's that work. Albeit not stellar, but functional.


Kelvin
91 Pajero Exceed - Controls mounted curb-side for convenience
82 Mercedes 300SD
Glow Plugs 101 [Re: Brewmaster] #767621 12/05/06 06:19 PM
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 100
Brewmaster Offline
Wheeler
We're getting pretty deep in the thread here and perhaps this should be a new topic but this goes back to my earlier post about not feeling right bypassing the resistor in the glow plug relay circuit.

Can someone explain to me the difference between an 11v Glow plug and a 6.2v glow plug? The way I see it is they are both just resistance heaters and in each one the heat generated is in direct proportion to the amount of juice introduced. I suppose it's possible that one, having perhaps a smaller filiment or less mass, will heat up faster, but I would suspect that after the first second or two they would be giving off relatively the same amount of heat. This might explain the "Fast start" nickname attached to the 6.2v plugs as they may get there faster if they are designed with a smaller filiment. But it would follow that during the second part of the cycle, once the truck is running, 6v to either plug would be exactly the same amount of heat, as the plugs are already hot.

Am I out to lunch here?


Kelvin
91 Pajero Exceed - Controls mounted curb-side for convenience
82 Mercedes 300SD
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