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Re: Super Charger on a 22RE ??? [Re: half_fast] #768517 12/01/06 05:46 AM
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rednekbean Offline
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Sure what part of oregon do you live in? That and you are going to have to wait a bit my yota is currently getting a four link in the rear so it isn't going very far very fast anytime soon. But like i said the 22r(e) isn't the fastest but she should do pretty good once i finally fix her(she had a rough two years while i was in college. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shiner.gif" alt="" />)

nick


92' Pick-up, SAS, gears to make her crawl, 37's , bullet proof motor, and alot of time invested.
06 CRF450R one mean roost flinging machine
Re: Super Charger on a 22RE ??? [Re: rednekbean] #768518 12/01/06 04:57 PM
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Yea after time i would like to do a V8 with 4 link and all that but for the mean time im runn the 22Re... and see what i can get out of it... i already have a V8 Dodge 1500 so i realy dont need another, Considering i bought the Yota to save some money on gas ... to put back in the the yota.. funny how that works but it does. Thx for the help

Re: Super Charger on a 22RE ??? #768519 12/02/06 03:51 AM
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rednekbean Offline
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i had another though about small blocking the yota last night too. the other prob they i have always seen people run in to is they get on the throttle and SNAP?!!!...****. the only reason the big red yota never had problems was because the front was open and had a built high pinion 44, and the rear was a lincon locked 60. they were both gear at 4.11 i belive to.
When the motor and tranny grenaded there was a detroit in both front 60 and rear 70 that was waiting to go in to the truck for more bullet proff ness. they also had like 5.38, or something like that , i cant remember either that or 5.13's.
also 4 more triangulated cross members were added for frame stenghth.

so basically it was a full size with a toyota frame and body, that came to a grand total of 3500 pounds fuel'ed up and no passengers.

i will build another one in the future, but put a little more elbow grease in her so she looks pretty this time.

nick


92' Pick-up, SAS, gears to make her crawl, 37's , bullet proof motor, and alot of time invested.
06 CRF450R one mean roost flinging machine
Re: Super Charger on a 22RE ??? [Re: rednekbean] #768520 12/02/06 10:58 PM
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half_fast Offline
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Im from Albany Oregon..... right next door to Corvallis. As for reliability, run an auto tranny. Im not breaking anything I havent broken with a 22r/22re/3.slow and I currently own Toyota's with all those plus my 90 Runner with a 350/350... a pavement pounder really that gets an honest 14 MPG. Anyone running this off road will wanna do a ford 9 inch swap too.

I did have a Camden supercharger with a 10 PSI pully running on the truck pictured below but after breaking pistons (including a set of $430 forged ones) I sold that puppy and stuck with regular induction..... except on my Powerstroke.


Michael J. Carsner proud driver of "Aint Pretty"

37 boggers, 571 gears, Detroit+Lock-Rights, 20R stage 1 LC Engineering head on 22R motor.
MUD!!! Its whats for dinner!!
Re: Super Charger on a 22RE ??? [Re: half_fast] #768521 12/04/06 02:09 AM
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dcg9381 Offline
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Pistons aren't a substitute for tuning.. 10psi is a lot of boost for a stock compression motor... Rick at Full Boogie seems to pull it off, but he's got complete timing and fuel control.

On my blown motor, compression slightly less than 8:1 (est) - I wouldnt' ping on 87 octane with advanced timing.. It was a bit of a bummer!


You could do 22RTE pistons and a blower, but it'll be a little lackluster, even at 10psi.


22REturbo.net




1988 4Runner
22RTE core, turbocharged, megasquirted...
Re: Super Charger on a 22RE ??? [Re: dcg9381] #768522 12/05/06 04:07 PM
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half_fast Offline
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Actually, the first set of pistons were stock and I ran a 4lb pully. The next 3 sets were 8:1 turbo pistons. I had a lean fuel problem, im sure. I was running an MSD ignition with boost retard so that wasnt the problem. Most of the pistons broke around the ring lands, but the forged piston shaved off a splinter that amounted to 1/4 of the piston. I will say I always drove the truck home or up on the trailer I brought it on. Mind you, I was all about speed and glory... had that truck up to 100 mph with 35 BFG MT's once, with stock gears. Im getting older now, and spending most of my $ on hunting and fishing instead of 4x4ing. I keep all my trucks in various stages of repair and my step son's drive them more than me.
Ill still recomend a V8 engine transplant before supercharging a toyota 22R.... cost will be compairable and I believe you will be MUCH MUCH MUCH happier with the results.


Michael J. Carsner proud driver of "Aint Pretty"

37 boggers, 571 gears, Detroit+Lock-Rights, 20R stage 1 LC Engineering head on 22R motor.
MUD!!! Its whats for dinner!!
Re: Super Charger on a 22RE ??? [Re: half_fast] #768523 12/05/06 05:12 PM
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Do a diesel conversion, I'm really liking the performance and efficiency of some of the new European and Japanese diesels. Also the lexus aluminum v8 engines are nice too.

But if you must then I guess a ford 5.0 or a cheb 350 would work too.

I wonder what a well tuned 22re using megasquirt or the like puts out for power? Prolly not as good as a 2.7 I guess.


(aka suprathepeg, aka Sean)
89 v6 SWB truck "BLACK BEAUTY" EB valves, P&P head 30 over.
95 FZJ80. Lifted. locked and rollin on 33s (my dream machine)
Re: Super Charger on a 22RE ??? [Re: Rauch_Off_Road] #768524 12/05/06 05:44 PM
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dcg9381 Offline
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Quote

I wonder what a well tuned 22re using megasquirt or the like puts out for power? Prolly not as good as a 2.7 I guess.


Naturally aspirated? Not much more power than stock. The only difference I notice is a little pinging when I get too advanced on the timing. You would get more power out of a significantly modified motor... But that's not a fair comparison.


I like the new diesels too, but until they get common in the states, I'm not ready to convert. The available toyota diesels are simply too small in terms of displacement.. Give me something 3.0-4.0 of diesel!

I noticed a huge difference when going megasquirt with the 22R + Supercharger. Top end power was better, mainly due to a large TBI and mileage when up significantly (over the carb), as it could lean itself out under cruise conditions.

I'm not ready to vote for a V8.. I did consider a 4.3L conversion, but the required components get expensive and the toyota driveline (unless you've got a 3.0) isn't entirely up to the task. A 4.3L certainly fits a lot better than a V8, leaves room for cooling, and you can get them in forms that produce more than 200hp.

Going from a supercharger I choose a turbo. A 22RE turbo can be done correctly with a simple piston change - you can even use cast pistions if you're on a budget. Jeff Mosk certainly qualifies for producing V8 level of power, although using him as an example is a little extreme.
Rick at Fullboogie has also logged a few miles on an otherwise stock 22RE setup with megasquirt and a nice turbo. I believe he's dyno'd at 170 rwhp in street trim.
Doesn't sound like much, but that's realistically about 2x the power output of what a stock 22RE does...


22REturbo.net




1988 4Runner
22RTE core, turbocharged, megasquirted...
Re: Super Charger on a 22RE ??? [Re: dcg9381] #768525 12/05/06 05:55 PM
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Rauch_Off_Road Offline
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What kind of milage and power were you getting with that tbi superchared 22r? Did you put a lot of miles on it?


(aka suprathepeg, aka Sean)
89 v6 SWB truck "BLACK BEAUTY" EB valves, P&P head 30 over.
95 FZJ80. Lifted. locked and rollin on 33s (my dream machine)
Re: Super Charger on a 22RE ??? [Re: Rauch_Off_Road] #768526 12/05/06 09:48 PM
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dcg9381 Offline
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Unfortunately I never dyno'd it. It was a significant increase in torque, but I can't say that it put out more than 160 or 170 hp.
It would turn 35s on the highway at 70mph, less than 1/4 throttle.

Mileage was not good, 15-16 highway, 12-14 in town. That's significantly better than what I was getting with a carb by about 25%.

As I said, the Camden is probably 50% efficient.. For every 1 hp it gives you at the back wheels, it's eating another 1 to turn the belt. We'll see how much better a turbo does..


22REturbo.net




1988 4Runner
22RTE core, turbocharged, megasquirted...
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