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Re: lift kit or locker [Re: Rauch_Off_Road] #775752 12/29/06 11:19 PM
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ErikB Offline
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In slippery conditions it will not unlock making driving dangerous to say the least. When we get a good snow or freezing rain I drive all over the place in 4wd for the added control. Without that control there is no point really. You may as well be in 2wd.


I've heard people say that, but I've never had any strange handling w/ my front lockright. It does tend to make steering harder though. And with IFS, I would worry about breaking stuff a lot more easily.


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Re: lift kit or locker [Re: ErikB] #775753 12/29/06 11:42 PM
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It won't unlock as long as there is power being applied to it, which I suppose could happen if you're cruising down the highway and hit some ice...

IFS strength is a valid issue, but in most situations you get a bit more traction from pulling (front wheels) then you do from pushing (rear wheel)..

The Aussie is a great locker, I'm just not a huge fan of how it changes low speed manners. It might be less pronounced on a stock truck with stock suspension.. Dunno.. I was running 35s and basically I resorted to coasting around any sharp corner.

For a little more money - a little more being $450 or so, you can get a complete e-locker 3rd (used) in a stock ratio... That's what I choose to buy for the current rig. It'll go in the rear, I haven't decided what to put up front.


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Re: lift kit or locker [Re: dcg9381] #775754 12/31/06 09:25 PM
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GOI87 Offline
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I would also agree with locker rather than lift, but also in the same boat I don't know what locker is best in the snow, besides a selectable one. I was thinking of a limited slip, like the detroit Truetrack, in the rear and a lock right in the front would give an all around good performance for street, snow, and dirt.

Any opinions? or other options, besides an e-locker or ARB? With all of the snow here in Denver lately I realise how much I could use one. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />
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Re: lift kit or locker [Re: GOI87] #775755 12/31/06 11:33 PM
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I absolutely would not put a locker up front. Especially since you live in snow country. I've run open front, Truetrac front, Lockrite front and now ARB front. By far, the ARB is the best set up, but if I couldn't afford an ARB, I would leave my front open, if I had to do it over again.

I personally like to drive in 4WD on dirt roads and snow at normal speeds...anywhere from 20-40 mph, sometimes even highway speeds, if I'm driving in intermittent snow conditions and this is just not safe with a front autolocker. The steering is not only heavy, but unpredictable and dangerous. The problem is the locker won't always unlock in a turn and then can suddenly unlock. Anyone who has an autolocker in the back has experienced the slight jerk or shift as the locker unbinds or the really loud pop in a turn, when the thing binds up and then unlocks a little later than it should have. In the rear this can by annoying and slightly unnerving, but up front it can be downright dangerous.

When going down a dirt road at say 35 mph and rounding a corner, the last you want to have happen is while your putting in extra steering imput to compensate for the locked front end, it then suddenly unlocks unexpededly in the middle of the turn, causing you to over compensate your steering. That's just one of the dangers of a front locker, IMO. Now if you keep your speeds to a crawl, then no big deal. I just depends on how you want to drive and how fast you could see yourself using 4WD. With a stock rig, you have the ability to drive freeway speeds safely in 4WD which could come in handy on the Colorado freeways. I wouldn't throw that important advantage away.

To start out with, I would install a rear lunchbox locker, like the Aussie, or EZ or Lockrite then invest in a good set of tires, like some siped Goodyear MTRs and you'll be able to go anywhere IFS will allow you to.

Good luck.


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Re: lift kit or locker [Re: Brian894X4] #775756 01/01/07 03:20 AM
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cktoy Offline OP
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what do you think of a lincoln locker in rear and stock up front.


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Re: lift kit or locker [Re: cktoy] #775757 01/01/07 03:47 AM
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I wouldn't on a mostly stock, daily driven rig. It's also going to be more dangerous in winter driving. It will also wear out your tires MUCH faster on dry pavement.

For a hardcore or mostly off road rig, that's one thing, but if yours is a daily driver, I would look into a locker like Aussia, EZ or Lockrite.


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Re: lift kit or locker [Re: Brian894X4] #775758 01/01/07 04:01 AM
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cktoy Offline OP
Mudrunner
thanks.I drive my rig on the road daily.I new it sounded to good to be true.I dont want to have to have air lines and all that.which one would be easiest to install (rear)I plan on staying mostly stock on tire size.


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Re: lift kit or locker [Re: cktoy] #775759 01/01/07 08:23 PM
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Rauch_Off_Road Offline
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thanks.I drive my rig on the road daily.I new it sounded to good to be true.I dont want to have to have air lines and all that.which one would be easiest to install (rear)I plan on staying mostly stock on tire size.


Then the e-locker is your best bet. $400-$600 and a weekend of work and your on your way. Best of all world IMHO.


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Re: lift kit or locker [Re: Rauch_Off_Road] #775760 01/02/07 03:12 AM
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RatLabGuy Offline
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What about a mechanical clutch LSD in the front, like a Detroit TruTrrac?
I would think that in snow, wouldn't it handle fine around corners b/c you don't have the sudden unloading etc like with an auto-locker?
only key would be to learn not to hit the brakes while IN the corner so that it locks down?


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Re: lift kit or locker [Re: RatLabGuy] #775761 01/02/07 04:40 AM
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Jake97T Offline
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Ive got a truetrac in my Toyota, i like it alot on and offroad, my buddy put an Aussie in his 4runner and found his rearend had a Truetrac LSD in it, he is selling the LSD if you want it, it is in great condition, looks to be less than a year old...


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