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My car is a gross polluter, I failed the smog test
#777676
01/06/07 07:44 AM
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Hi, Just bought a car, an 86 Montero, manual, 2,6 engine. (2 door if that helps :p ) The previous owner had done a smog-check in september, and passed it after: cleaning EGA ports (might say ECQ), dino test, R+R exhaust manifold. When smogging my car today, it failed with huge margains. I will post my previous owners results, as well as mine today.
Previous owner: Ignition timing: 8 BTDC
at 15 mph ----------- rpm - 1834 CO2 % meas - 14,90 O2 % meas - 0,16 HC (PPM) max - 133 ave - 43 meas - 71 CO% max - 0,89 ave - 0,16 meas - 0,05 NO (PPM) max 1090 ave 406 meas 624 result - PASS
at 25 mph ----------- rpm - 1881 CO2 % meas - 14,90 O2 % meas - 0,14 HC (PPM) max - 104 ave - 32 meas - 58 CO% max - 1,12 ave - 0,15 meas - 0,03 NO (PPM) max - 1130 ave - 349 meas - 761 result - PASS
so this was the previous owners results, and made my smog-man believe they manupulated his test, based on my results now 3 months later.
Todays result: ignition timing: 3 BTDC
at 15 mph ----------- rpm - 1797 CO2 % meas - 14,5 O2 % meas - 0,6 HC (PPM) max - 133 gp - 321 meas - 24 CO% max - 0,89 gp - 2,19 meas - 0,02 NO (PPM) max - 1090 gp - 2057 meas - 2332 result - GROSS POLLUTER
at 25 mph ----------- rpm - 1848 CO2 % meas - 14,5 O2 % meas - 0,5 HC (PPM) max - 104 gp - 271 meas - 21 CO% max - 1,12 gp - 2,42 meas - 0,01 NO (PPM) max - 1130 gp - 2114 meas - 2221 result - GROSS POLLUTER
These numbers don't say much to me, except that I failed. NO (PPM) has been highlighted with a yellow marker, probably indicating something. Does anyone here work with smogging, and could possibly have a look at these numbers? I would be very greatful, as I can't pay big $$$ right now for a shop to find and fix the problem.. Thanks, Karl
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Re: My car is a gross polluter, I failed the smog test
[Re: Szia]
#777677
01/06/07 07:51 AM
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for one you timing is off.it is suposed to be 7 btdc give or take 2.so your timeing is way off.
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Re: My car is a gross polluter, I failed the smog test
[Re: powerRam50]
#777678
01/06/07 07:57 AM
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What could cause it to be that way off? Would fixing it improve my results? My mechanic told me it will make them even worse.. About the timing, could that be the reason for why my car feels weak?
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Re: My car is a gross polluter, I failed the smog test
[Re: Szia]
#777679
01/06/07 08:15 AM
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Looks like an exhaust leak somewhere, or something like that. I don't much like the fact that there is still oxygen left over in the exhaust with CO or HC left as well, but that's secondary at this point.
You have air getting in somewhere and that's preventing the catalyst from reducing NOx.
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Re: My car is a gross polluter, I failed the smog test
[Re: Szia]
#777680
01/06/07 08:16 AM
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I losing faith in your mech real fast. Waiting for 52degrees to chim in <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/patriot.gif" alt="" />
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Re: My car is a gross polluter, I failed the smog test
[Re: LRJ4x4]
#777681
01/06/07 08:25 AM
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Actually, the guy I bought the car from pointed out a place at the exhaust manifold. Where the exhaust system meets the manifold, it looks like a screw is loose, a screw that the previous owner tightened. Is it normal to have a "farting" sound when driving, because to me it sounds like a leaking exhaust. I have a feeling that the sound comes from that place, because it seems to be coming from the engine bay. About my mech, his workshop consists mostly of turbo charged 92 civics, but the pros are that you can get away with a 4 hour job for $150 bucks. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Last edited by Szia; 01/06/07 08:28 AM.
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Re: My car is a gross polluter, I failed the smog test
[Re: Szia]
#777682
01/06/07 08:40 AM
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Three bolts that hold the downpipe to the manifold, sounds like simple exhaust leak. The gasket is few dollars but lots of time to get at it.
How are you at turning metric wrenches?
98 Montero with cold weather package 96 Toyota Land Cruiser, fully locked Mall Machine :-)
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Re: My car is a gross polluter, I failed the smog test
[Re: LRJ4x4]
#777683
01/06/07 10:01 AM
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I would say fair. I have worked on an exhaust before, or I replaced a muffler.. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/evil.gif" alt="" /> Does Autozone have the gasket? Guess I need a new screw as well. Is it hard to replace? Do you have to bring down the system to fit the new gasket?
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Re: My car is a gross polluter, I failed the smog test
[Re: Szia]
#777684
01/06/07 02:00 PM
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I would say fair. I have worked on an exhaust before, or I replaced a muffler.. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/evil.gif" alt="" /> Does Autozone have the gasket? Guess I need a new screw as well. Is it hard to replace? Do you have to bring down the system to fit the new gasket? Any mitsubishi dealers around? In my opinion you pay the same price for stuff like that at a parts store, and still run the risk of stuff not fitting. Save yourself the headache and see what's around. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />
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Re: My car is a gross polluter, I failed the smog test
[Re: Szia]
#777685
01/06/07 06:48 PM
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Does Autozone have the gasket? I would seriously make friends with a real parts store, not a warehouse chain. Some (not all) of the workers were french fry specialists last week... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cyclops.gif" alt="" /> In order to replace the gasket, you'll need to remove the retaining bolts at the flange from the manifold to pipe, and if still equipped, there may be a mount to remove holding the pipe to the bellhousing. Not too difficult a project.
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