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Re: Regarding 3.0 V-6 24v or 12v (In a 94 stealth)-Mitsu [Re: cmonty72] #791723 02/23/07 07:49 PM
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OldColt Offline
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Are the 24valve 3.0's still non-interfearing?

I am not sure about the SOHC 24V. I have not been in a 3.0 Sohc 24valve engine, I do have three 3.0 DOHC ones, they will crash.
When I bought my 6G75 3.8 L engine. I removed the heads to do the DOHC swap, all the valves are closed, now it has been sitting for 1/2 year before it was shipped to me so I do not know how long it takes for the lifters to drain down and I can not tell how far open the valves are just after shutdown. The pistons do not have large valve reliefs in them.

I am not sure if My DOHC conversion on the 3.8 will make it a much better engine but from the changes in the ports as well as the different timing of the 3000gt cams I used it should have a substantial increase in mid range power.


Cheers, Charlie
If It ain't broke, Modify it!
87 Montero turbo Converted back in Spring1989
95 Montero SR 3.8 DOHC Only one?
93 Pajero 3 door 6G75 Mivec with paddle shifted 5 speed
Then a Gen2 SR with full coil independent suspension.
Re: Regarding 3.0 V-6 24v or 12v (In a 94 stealth)-Mitsu [Re: OldColt] #791724 02/23/07 11:16 PM
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Go here to the Gates belts web site to check on your engine. Scroll down to the "Interference" section, select your yr., make type, model and engine, and then go down to the timing belt section and read the comment.


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Re: Regarding 3.0 V-6 24v or 12v (In a 94 stealth)-Mitsu [Re: fasteddy] #791725 02/24/07 01:07 PM
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yankneck696 Offline
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I used Monty exhaust manifolds, Frank. Only challenge really was when the boys in the yard cleaned up the work bench on a day I was out.... Threw out all of my new mounts & each & every accessory & mounting bolt......

Luckily, we pulled a Sigma engine the next day & 2 caravan engines to get all of the needed bolts.

Ed


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"How can I break it better?"
89 Raider 3.0 w/ 31's for now
Re: Regarding 3.0 V-6 24v or 12v (In a 94 stealth)-Mitsu [Re: fasteddy] #791726 02/24/07 06:49 PM
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Go here to the Gates belts web site to check on your engine. Scroll down to the "Interference" section, select your yr., make type, model and engine, and then go down to the timing belt section and read the comment.
Thanks Eddy. Mine is an interference motor. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> I guess I'll keep up on the timing belt maintenence. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />


96 Montero LS 24V DOHC 3.0L.
98 Montero 24v SOHC 3.5L, factory rear locker, Winter/tow package.
63 Jaguar XKE 3.8L FHC
2000 Mercedes-Benz e430
07 fj cruiser
Re: Regarding 3.0 V-6 24v or 12v (In a 94 stealth)-Mitsu [Re: rabsol1] #791727 02/28/07 01:47 AM
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sasnydley Offline OP
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Funny how people were joking bout swapping the engine out of the stealth cause today my truck blew the head gasket <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />. When you guys put in the stealth engine-did you use the stealth in take or just swapped over the monty externals? You and yankneck did this from what I see. I have a chance of getting a jdm for 650 plus shipping but I want to know which intake and other outer aspects I will need. I also put a post on here tonight about this. I forgot I had posted this earlier and am surprised about what is said.


1990 Black Monty LS Over 300K' 1993 Isuzu Rodeo LS 4x4 46k (yes only 46K!)1989 Honda Transalp 600 Africa twin,
Re: Regarding 3.0 V-6 24v or 12v (In a 94 stealth)-Mitsu [Re: sasnydley] #791728 02/28/07 11:28 AM
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Actually, I asked the question here a few months ago about doing the Chrysler Voyager/Caravan 12v 3.0 swap here (can be done, but involves a bit more work), and yankneck was just doing his swap...he recommended it to me as the best solution. He was right! (thanks!) <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />

It was pretty straight-forward to swap the Stealth engine into my 90 LS...but most all external components are different between the two engines. Exhaust & intake manifolds are way different, yet easy enough to swap. Oil Pan is also shaped differently, but while swapping oil pan the oil pump needs to be swapped as well...due to differences external of the oil pump (very obvious when compared side to side), the biggest difference being the lower Alt mount on the Stealth pump won't allow the Monty P/S pump bracket to bolt up (see EDIT below), and also the Stealth pump (on my engine) lacked the mounting bosses for the oil cooler lines. Worst part of the oil pump swap is removing the crank T-belt sprocket (but removal of pump really help with seal replacement. And timing covers (front and rear pieces) are different as well. Well worth the time to clean & thread chase the engine mount bracket mounts from the Stealth engine also, as the engine mounts they use for the traverse engine are not in the same location as the RWD mounting pad, so they get dirty & cruddy inside. The water pump pipe from the back of the pump is also different, as it comes out into the center V of the bellhousing for traverse mounting. Oil Dipstick tube has to swap over as well.

Sounds like a lot more work than it really is, but one's own time is usually cheaper than one's money...was well-worth my investment to take the time to swap everything out. A helpful hint I have used a couple of times in the past 6 months, I buy the FULL gasket set, as it comes with all seals & gaskets needed for this swap. And to make it even easier, I bought my sets from some guy on EBay (gasket brand was JIS, seller I am unsure of, will post more when I find the info again), is a cheaper gasket set with graphite head gaskets (have used them once too with good results) and had less than $55 each for the FULL set. I think the sets I got were actually for Caravan/Voyager 3.0, but they usually come with the different configuration oil pump gaskets & such. And with such, I went ahead and replaced ALL seals & gaskets while I had it apart, since I was already there anyway. Valve covers will need to be swapped out as well, so their gaskets, as well as the cam end seals are easier to replace while out also. Rear main seal is easiest replaced while the oil pan is off also...naturally. Since mine is an automatic, I also decided to replace the torque converter seal while the engine was out, well worth the extra effort in the long run.

The guy I got my Stealth engine from was about 30 miles from me, he grenaded an input shaft bearing in his transaxle...bought this 88,000 miles eng/transaxle combo from an Ebay seller, had it shipped in from NY, used the transaxle, and sold me the Complete Engine (intake to oil pan, with starter) for $450.

Again, it was well worth it to me, I'd do it again this way without hesitation. Good Luck! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />

EDITED TO ADD: I wanted to correct what I said about the Stealth lower alternator bracket made onto the oil pump, it is actually on the side opposite the oil filter (right when FACING engine), and will not allow the Montero A/C comressor bracket to be mounted, NOT the Montero alternator as I previously said. I think that the oil filter adapter from the Stealth engine was actually of some interference to the P/S pump beacket, but swapping the oil filter adapter to the one from the Montero engine will work (use proper gasket!) and also the oil cooler line bosses will be swaaped as well, as they are part of this bolt-on adapter. Sorry, just didn't wish to confuse anyone. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Last edited by rabsol1; 03/02/07 12:28 AM.
Re: Regarding 3.0 V-6 24v or 12v (In a 94 stealth)-Mitsu [Re: rabsol1] #791729 02/28/07 12:51 PM
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yankneck696 Offline
Mudrunner
He has it covered rather well. just one addition... Use your origional valve covers & replace the PCV valve while it's all apart. New wires, plugs, O2 sensor & new vacuum lines EVERYWHERE !!!! It really bites to track down a small leak for 3 days. Just wish I could get rid of the timing retard for better top end performance.

Ed


Yankneck = Yankee ingenuity with Redneck stupidity.
"How can I break it better?"
89 Raider 3.0 w/ 31's for now
Re: Regarding 3.0 V-6 24v or 12v (In a 94 stealth)-Mitsu [Re: yankneck696] #791730 02/28/07 02:17 PM
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sasnydley Offline OP
Body Damage is Cool
I actually just replaced my valve cover gaskets in dec and did the pcv valve then. I do have another pcv valve that I bought and found when I was cleaning up after the valve covers. Thanks for the info! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" /> I just checked again this morning and there is still no coolant in the oil. I may just try to do the head gasket til I can figure out whats next. I was trying to find a newer gen 2 monty to "upgrade when this happened. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />


1990 Black Monty LS Over 300K' 1993 Isuzu Rodeo LS 4x4 46k (yes only 46K!)1989 Honda Transalp 600 Africa twin,
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