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Re: My Montero has twins! [Re: NathanC] #803067 04/06/07 01:08 PM
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Amazing, simply amazing. Nathan you are the man!!! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />


88 red Montero with the Dakar Special Edition decals, 438,000 miles (As of 7/23/2012) some occational blue puffing but still strong and counting!!! I am going ppsshhh (turbo), Stay tuned =) ...
Re: My Montero has twins! [Re: JAVYPRO] #803068 04/06/07 02:20 PM
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Yep. "Pioneer" status is yours.

Excellent work, man.
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...and now we know what you needed that "adaptor key" for from Autometer, don't we?


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Re: My Montero has twins! [Re: dadrab] #803069 04/06/07 05:25 PM
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So how did you seal up the front transfer case where the front output shaft was before mods? It looks like it was made like that.


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Re: My Montero has twins! [Re: NathanC] #803070 04/06/07 06:43 PM
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So you installed this on your 94SR?


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Re: My Montero has twins! [Re: cap510] #803071 04/06/07 07:30 PM
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So you installed this on your 94SR?

Yep.

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So how did you seal up the front transfer case where the front output shaft was before mods? It looks like it was made like that.

I'm not following you Tag. Perhaps it will make sense when I finish the writeup.

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...and now we know what you needed that "adaptor key" for from Autometer, don't we?

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'88 Mighty Max
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Re: My Montero has twins! [Re: NathanC] #803072 04/06/07 07:46 PM
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so what's your crawl ratio now? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/zombie.gif" alt="" />


[b]94/95 Montero SR "rockcrawler"
Riding on 37" MTRs
Re: My Montero has twins! [Re: cap510] #803073 04/06/07 09:08 PM
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NathanC Offline OP
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What is the first gear of a V4AW3? 2.8xxish?

If that's the case then:
2.8 x 2.72 x 2.72 x 4.636 = 96.04:1


'06 Dakota QC 4.7 6sp 4x4
'88 Mighty Max
'77 KZ1000 fun old bike
Re: My Montero has twins! [Re: NathanC] #803074 04/06/07 11:10 PM
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So my question is, will this fit into a Gen I 2 door v6?

I've got a spare xcase to xperiment with. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />

Re: My Montero has twins! [Re: off-roader] #803075 04/06/07 11:18 PM
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So my question is, will this fit into a Gen I 2 door v6?

I've got a spare xcase to xperiment with. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />


Yes, and No.

You can bolt a 231 in there with a bit of research, but no one has done it yet. I doubt there is room for a double t-case ina Gen1.

SO go get you a 231, SYE, and Terraflex low range front half. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

OR just put a stock 231 in there, and get yourself some 2.7:1 low range.


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Re: My Montero has twins! [Re: NathanC] #803076 04/06/07 11:59 PM
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NathanC Offline OP
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Well this whole crazy thing started when I started researching the similarities between the Jeep AW4 and the Mitsubishi V4AW3 transmissions. I kept my eyes open and found an NP231 from a 2001 Wrangler with a Slip Yoke Eliminator (SYE) already installed. I also found an AW4 tailhousing from an unknown year Cherokee.
[Linked Image]

My first steps were back in December when I tried mounting the AW4 tailhousing and np231 to the V4AW3. The tailhousing bolted up just fine and the splines ended up being the same size and count. This initial "test fit" did let me know that if I wanted this to work I would need a "short" input shaft for the NP231. Over the years NP231's have come with different input shafts varying in spline count and lenth. There are three lengths and two spline counts: 21 and 23 splines. The V4AW3 is a 23 spline tailshaft. I also used this opportunity to check the clearances with the floor, exhaust, crossmembers, and t-bars. I felt confident that the NP231 was a good fit and at the most would need minor clocking. After this wrenching session, I reinstalled the Active-trac t-case so I could continue driving the truck while I shopped around for more parts. I would recommend messing with the Active-trac t-case as little as possible! It is a heavy beast <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/oink.gif" alt="" /> to bench press into place <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shiner.gif" alt="" />.

Since I first started dreaming of this mod, I knew that I wanted to make a dual transfer case setup. I felt that the dual case provided the following benefits:
1)Allowed for selectable ranges, ie:1:1, 2.72:1, & 7.4:1. With these options, even the middle speed is lower than the stock 1.90:1!
2)It was something I could piece together as time and money permitted.

I had three options to choose from in trying to create a dual NP231:
1)Build the components myself. I didn't like this option simply because I knew it meant welding a mid-shaft together. I wasn't crazy out a welded shaft being in the heart of my drivetrain. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shiner.gif" alt="" />
2)A Mad Rooster Offroad crawlerbox
3)Or a D.D.Machine "Box4rocks"
I decided on the D.D.Machine kit. I chose this kit because the guy that makes them seemed to really stand behind his product and know what he was doing. Also this kit had provisions for oil filling and draining. I was also less than thrilled with how the Mad Rooster guy handled himself when answering an email of mine. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

I was lucky enough to find a Box4rocks 23 spline kit second-hand that had not yet been installed and came with all the parts that would be needed from a donor NP231 to make the doubler. I got even luckier when I found out that this doubler donor was a 23 spline short input shaft!
Here are some pics of the Box4rocks and doubler parts:
The doubler cut, welded, and guts assembled (you can see the midshaft poking out in the middle):
[Linked Image]
The plate that seals the rear of the doubler:
[Linked Image]
The clocking ring:
[Linked Image]

More to come... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />


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'88 Mighty Max
'77 KZ1000 fun old bike
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