ok i see your point about those gung ho tree huggin people using it as evidence but those were natural washouts that would, in time wash out anyways. we were the first people in trucks to go down and up that hill paving the way to a very nice clean campsite for us in the future. if you notice those trees were already long gone.... im totally for preservation and all that stuff but, people have been riding here for years, its a private owned piece of land that the local law enforcement even polices to make sure nobody is stuck and needs help. most of them ride 4 wheelers out there anyways, if you ask me the 4 wheel atv's are the real problem... they are the ones who always go off trails and cust their own, they were probabally the ones who made that trail wash out in the first place, its erosion and i saw several areas where the water naturally cuts through the soft sugar sand and leaves a nice washout before any atv , bike or 4x4 ever treads on it. we always clean up any trash we find on a trail and we ride responsibly, we have been givin written permission by the land owner to ride there so too bad for those people who want to stop us, its a free country too bad freedom is just a word.... all in all i do understand what your saying and agree for the most part, its been going on for years, i see it as the land was put here to use , why not use it.....? as for pirate 4x4 <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> i wouldnt give that bbs the time of day, i usually just post here because everybody is much more mature and we mannored. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />

thanks for looking if you want ill remove the vids...