also i wanted to say , how do you think most of the trails got there or anywhere in the first place? somebody had to make them, thats more or less what we were doing. the trees were a gonner anyways. like i said we were simply blazing a new trail to a very nice, clean place to pitch a tent in the future. climbing that hill makes me pitch a tent!!! one more thing, what do you see going on at baja or the granada dakkar rallys? people tear that place up way worse than that... it just seems a little weird that your a wheeler and you say you dont enjoy climbing a new hill where nobody else has gone. to me thats one thing that makes wheeling the most fun. finding new places where nobody has wheeled. believe me i wheel in the ocala national forest wher you will get a ticket for being one foot off of a trail , no questions asked. i respect the environment. i do not however respect people who tell me how to live my life or try to influence me to believe something is wrong when i know its not. dude i never started crap with you or called you any names, i have been called those very same names, think im a hipocrite oh well those who know me will vouch , im a bug tree huggin poot nanny. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/nana.gif" alt="" />