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SPAL fan controller on my taurus fan is not holding up.... #818257 06/12/07 07:01 AM
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CORunner93 Offline OP
Rock Warrior
So....I've got the SPAL FAN-PWN controller on my Taurus fan...for my 3.4L....and it's melting fuses. It just doesn't put out enough AMPS to handle the high power (2nd speed) of the Taurus fan. I called SPAL and asked them and they said 'yeah...the taurus fan draws too many amps at on the high speed for their controller'

Anyone got any ideas or suggestions for a cooling fan controller?

The Taurus Fan draws around 35 AMP's (the SPAL controller is only good to 30 amps) at high speed and something like 70 AMP on start up. I'd like something that handles both speeds of the fan...But, at this point I'd take anything that is reliable and turns the darn thing on without eating fuses.


'93 4Runner - 3.4L 5VZ-FE, 2" body lift, on-board-air system, custom gauge cluster, rear e-locker, electric fan, custom built front and rear bumpers, sliders, 4,88 gears...all on 33x12.5's.
Re: SPAL fan controller on my taurus fan is not holding up.... [Re: CORunner93] #818258 06/12/07 01:54 PM
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OOP'S Offline
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What controls the fan on the Taurus? Can it be adapted to work on your rig?


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Re: SPAL fan controller on my taurus fan is not holding up.... [Re: CORunner93] #818259 06/12/07 03:19 PM
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ErikB Offline
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What if you used the grey wire to operate a relay?
Their documentation says it is normally used to trigger a relay for a secondary fan when controller reaches its "high" setting. You could use it to drive a relay that bypasses the controller when its in its high mode, so the controller doesn't have to have to carry the "high" mode current.

And the other (more obvious) thing- what happens if you just put in a bigger fuse?

Oh, and another possible option- use the SPAL's normal output to control the low speed wire of the fan, and then use the grey wire to turn on the high speed when in "high" mode...

Last edited by ErikB; 06/12/07 03:32 PM.

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Re: SPAL fan controller on my taurus fan is not holding up.... [Re: CORunner93] #818260 06/12/07 03:27 PM
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Robinhood150 Offline
Body Damage is Cool
Does PWN stand for Pulse Width Modulation? If so, then putting in a normal relay won't work as it'll be opening and closing a hundred times a minute. You'd have to use a solid state relay.

Alternatively, you could use this controller:
http://www.ultimateyota.com/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=26&topic=50.0


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Re: SPAL fan controller on my taurus fan is not holding up.... [Re: Robinhood150] #818261 06/12/07 03:33 PM
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ErikB Offline
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Yes, pulse width mod. But its grey wire output is not PWM, it is only off/on depending on whether its on "high" mode or not.


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Re: SPAL fan controller on my taurus fan is not holding up.... [Re: ErikB] #818262 06/12/07 11:34 PM
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Rauch_Off_Road Offline
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What you need to do is have the controler wired upto a second relay that will take the amps of the fan. Basicly a relay switching a relay I used a 30 amp for the low speed and a 70 for the high speed. That way the controler is protected.


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Re: SPAL fan controller on my taurus fan is not holding up.... [Re: ErikB] #818263 06/13/07 03:59 AM
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Robinhood150 Offline
Body Damage is Cool
Then in that case yeah, run big relay with the controller. What I did with my taurus fan was run two 30A relays in parallel for the high setting.


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Re: SPAL fan controller on my taurus fan is not holding up.... [Re: CORunner93] #818264 06/13/07 04:52 AM
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CORunner93 Offline OP
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Ahhh....I got it!!

After a bunch more research and another call to the SPAL tech support line, I got a wiring diagram which does exactly what I want it to do......it controls both the low speed and high speed powers of the fan! And, you were all about right...a couple of relays, controlled by the grey wire to run high amp power directly to the fan (without having the high amp power going through the controller).

It modulates the low speed fan power through the fan ground (-) until the temps get to within 10-degrees of the "max" setting, that I've programmed into the SPAL controller, then it kicks in the high speed on the fan, at 100% power, until the temps drop down to 10-degrees below the "max" temp setting. When the temps get down below that threshhold, the controller goes back to modulating the power to the low speed wire on the fan. It's perfect, exactly what I wanted it to do in the first place.

I kept getting hints from here and Pirate that there was a solution for this issue...using the SPAL controller....but it took a call to the tech support line to get the wiring diagram.

It's funny, I started talking about my problem and as soon as I mentioned I had a "Taurus fan" the guy knew exactly what I was trying to do and exactly what I needed....he even e-mailed me the wiring diagram. I must have spent 3 hours searching bulletin boards for a wiring diagram or even just a description of how to wire it all up...and got nothing. All the posts mentioned that a relay was needed (which I knew)....but all were focuses on controlling only one speed of the 2 speed Taurus fan....and even with those you could either modulate the low power or only have 100% high power.

The tech guy also mentioned a few interesting things about the Taurus fan. The thing draws around 100-amps on start-up of the high power. But, the way their wiring diagram is set up, the fan is already spinning when the high spped kicks in, so you only have to deal with about 40 amps. All the posts I read said a 70 amp relay and fuse were needed to handle the high power start up. the Tech support guy told me that if you go that route you also need to buy a fire extinguisher for the resulting fire.

I'm having a few computer problems at the moment, so I can't post the PDF. But if anyone is interested, send me a PM and I'll forward the PDF of the wiring diagram.

Thanks for the help, as usually


'93 4Runner - 3.4L 5VZ-FE, 2" body lift, on-board-air system, custom gauge cluster, rear e-locker, electric fan, custom built front and rear bumpers, sliders, 4,88 gears...all on 33x12.5's.
Re: SPAL fan controller on my taurus fan is not holding up.... [Re: CORunner93] #818265 06/14/07 05:43 AM
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ScaldedDog Offline
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Hey man. Here's the diagram you refered to above:

[Linked Image]

Mark


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Re: SPAL fan controller on my taurus fan is not holding up.... [Re: ScaldedDog] #818266 06/15/07 01:21 AM
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CORunner93 Offline OP
Rock Warrior
Yeah...thats' the one....thanks


'93 4Runner - 3.4L 5VZ-FE, 2" body lift, on-board-air system, custom gauge cluster, rear e-locker, electric fan, custom built front and rear bumpers, sliders, 4,88 gears...all on 33x12.5's.

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