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Re: 3" Supra AFM on a 22RE? [Re: mosk] #819164 06/20/07 03:50 PM
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I posted one of the original write-ups of this swap on my site back in '99 or '00, although the original idea wasn't mine.

There are different part numbers because there are small changes in the circuit boards of the different AFMs - even if they look the same externally, there are some subtle differences in the slope of their output signals. As long as you don't mix the "early" style (pre-'88.5) AFM with the "late" style (pos-'88.5) ECU, or vice versa, the AFMs are cross compatible. In other words, it's OK to use a 1987 AFM on a 1986 22RE, but don't use a 1990 AFM on a 1986 22RE, or a 1986 AFM on a 1990 22RE.


Pretty straight forward. For pre 1988.5 truck, use pre 1988.5 Supra AFM. For post 1988.5 truck, use post 1988.5 Supra AFM.

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As for the larger Supra/Cressida AFMs, the 1982 5MGE AFM is plug-and play, because the output signal runs from low to high. For the other years, the output signal runs from high to low, so as the flapper door swings open more, the output signal decreases, meaning that the engine will run increasingly leaner, exactly the opposite of what you want!! To use one of the 83-85 5MGE AFMs, you need to swap out the stock circuit board and swap in the circuit board from your stock 22RE AFM.

I don't know if this clears things up or makes them more confusing, but that's some of the background story on the AFM differences.


For the "larger Supra/Cressida AFMs, the 1982 5MGE AFM is plug-and play". This is plug and play for the pre 1988.5, correct?

And "To use one of the 83-85 5MGE AFMs, you need to swap out the stock circuit board and swap in the circuit board from your stock 22RE AFM." This is if I want to use it on a post 1988.5 truck, correct?

If I understand correctly, unless I swap circuit boards, I need to use post 1988.5 Supra or Cressida AFM. Is this correct?

Most likely a dumb question, but, did they make a post 1988.5 5MGE?

Thank you for your help.
Ken


89 Ext cab 22RE 5 speed
84 Ext cab 22R 5 speed
88 Mitsubishi Macro Cab 2.6 5 speed
Re: 3" Supra AFM on a 22RE? [Re: zoomschwortz] #819165 06/20/07 05:03 PM
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mosk Offline
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For the "larger Supra/Cressida AFMs, the 1982 5MGE AFM is plug-and play". This is plug and play for the pre 1988.5, correct?


Correct - plug and play for the pre 1988.5 motors.

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And "To use one of the 83-85 5MGE AFMs, you need to swap out the stock circuit board and swap in the circuit board from your stock 22RE AFM."
This is if I want to use it on a post 1988.5 truck, correct?


Correct. Actually, you have to do this for ANY of the 1983-85 5MGE AFMs, as they all produce the high-to-low output signal, which is the opposite of what the 22RE needs to see.

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If I understand correctly, unless I swap circuit boards, I need to use post 1988.5 Supra or Cressida AFM. Is this correct?

Most likely a dumb question, but, did they make a post 1988.5 5MGE?

Thank you for your help.
Ken


I'm not sure -- all of my personal experience is with the pre-1988.5 motors. This page has some general info on the 5MGE and indicates that the motor was made until 1988. My guess is that a circuit board swap would be the likeliest way to get this to work, but I don't know enough about the specifics of these years to know for sure. Sorry - the above pretty much sums up what I know on this subject.


Jeff Moskovitz
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Re: 3" Supra AFM on a 22RE? [Re: mosk] #819166 06/20/07 05:50 PM
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zoomschwortz Offline OP
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That clears it up.

Thanks again for your help.
Ken


89 Ext cab 22RE 5 speed
84 Ext cab 22R 5 speed
88 Mitsubishi Macro Cab 2.6 5 speed
Re: 3" Supra AFM on a 22RE? [Re: zoomschwortz] #819167 06/20/07 11:39 PM
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Dok Offline
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Just to clarify, 86+ Supras have the 7mge and 7mgte engine. Neither AFM will work on a 22re as they are totally different beasts. Cressidas up to '88 had the 5mge though.


'87 4-Runner--DD/wheeler, 4.3 swap coming soon
'89 Supra--E85 powered 2jz NA-T Swap, 533rwhp 497ft-lbs
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