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Re: SPENDIN SOME MONEY........ [Re: Hydra747] #819659 06/28/07 02:43 PM
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Dave Scott Offline
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well, if you're talking about the SC, first thing is to get the SC. all the hard parts can be built off that. if you're talking about the wiring/electronics stuff? talk to these other guys, cuz i don't know jack.


95 Sportage w/welded and 5.89 geared dana 44's on 38.5" TSL's.- SADLY SOLD
CURRENTLY - 2000 sportage, 5.38 gears, welded diffs, 35" tires, 5.5" lift

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/341410
Re: SPENDIN SOME MONEY........ [Re: Dave Scott] #819660 06/29/07 12:31 AM
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Adskia Offline OP
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a supercharger off a toyota 1ggze (2litre straight 6 out of an old soarer) is just the right size it would sit qutie nice in the left hand side of the engine bay......really the only reason im goin towards turbo is ease of fitment dont have to worry about belts and all that.....if you get the right turbo (work out what A/R ratio housings you will need ) then you can get boost really low in the revs range....eg the turbo that i have bought has a turbine A/R ratio of 0.52.....which is quite small and will spool up real quick......and the compressor A/R ratio .84 so it will still be able to supply boost at high revs .....you also need to look at the size of pipe you use for the exhaust manifold.....eg the smaller the pipe the quick the gas speed is in the pipe.....im goin to use 1inch to 1.25 inch pipe as the gas speed needs to be quick to spool up early....see if that helps guys..... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />


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Re: SPENDIN SOME MONEY........ [Re: Adskia] #819661 06/29/07 04:44 PM
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Dave Scott Offline
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that is greek to us in the US. we get very little exposure to vehicles that aren't sold here. is that SC a "Roots-type" or centrifugal?

the thing is, i think it's been pretty much decided that for a DIY project, an Eaton Root-type blower would be the easiest and best way to go seeing as how they are 99% maintenance-free, with a sealed oil chamber for the bearings. they don't need oil lines or pumps and can be configured in many different ways with different pulleys, pulley coming off the right or left, front or back, etc. brackets can be made to put it anywhere it will fit and intakes can be made to match whereever you put it. now we just gotta find a pulley that will fit the crank in the Sportage angine and start making some brackets, right?

well, the Eaton M45 supercharger supposedly came on the new cooper minis, so, i'm looking in junk yards for one....


95 Sportage w/welded and 5.89 geared dana 44's on 38.5" TSL's.- SADLY SOLD
CURRENTLY - 2000 sportage, 5.38 gears, welded diffs, 35" tires, 5.5" lift

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/341410
Re: SPENDIN SOME MONEY........ [Re: Dave Scott] #819662 06/29/07 05:30 PM
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Adskia Offline OP
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hey mate.....pretty sure they were sold over there.....cause there an import over here.....yep there a roots type.....with teflon coated lobes....just tryin to think of the name of the toyota they were under in the states......mid to late 80's .....im sure they were sold as toyota soarer over there cant member.....there able to handle about 15psi there is to sizes an sc12 and an sc14 the bigger one is the ideal size for the kia engine.....they also have a clutch on them (like an air conditioning clutch) that u can turn them on or off.....but its real laggy when there off..... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />


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Re: SPENDIN SOME MONEY........ [Re: Adskia] #819663 06/29/07 06:10 PM
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Dave Scott Offline
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hmmmm..... never heard the name soarer, but the sc sounds like a possibility.


95 Sportage w/welded and 5.89 geared dana 44's on 38.5" TSL's.- SADLY SOLD
CURRENTLY - 2000 sportage, 5.38 gears, welded diffs, 35" tires, 5.5" lift

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/341410
Re: SPENDIN SOME MONEY........ [Re: Dave Scott] #819664 06/30/07 09:17 AM
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Adskia Offline OP
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i think it an early model selcior.....im sure that was the name for it...... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />


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Re: SPENDIN SOME MONEY........ [Re: Adskia] #819665 07/02/07 03:51 PM
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DEFBOY35 Offline
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over hear in north america the soarer was sold as a lexus, cant remember the model number it went by though.


2000 SPORTY, DEF BOY customs, mmm....lockers, mmm... gears, mmm... double transfer case, mmm... stroker
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2377991
Re: SPENDIN SOME MONEY........ [Re: DEFBOY35] #819666 07/08/07 04:51 AM
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flyboy367 Offline
Mudrunner
hey guys, if you want to pick up where i left off with this ill chip in. supercharging using the eaton m90 or smaller m62 (both basically stand alone as far as oiling are redily avaiable in the us and i think are close to the one listed) first you need to mount it. easiest scenario i came up with was to make an adapter to mount to the intake manifold to replace the stock crossover tube and hone out the stock tb and make a mounting plate for it on the supercharger. thats step one. i got into this phase and dropped it when my sporty had some issues and i switched to a camaro.
2nd is to reman the crank pulley for the sc belt and a tensioner setup. still relitivly easy with some $$ to a machine shop.
3rd is your fuel setup. look to the 626 or miata for injectors cause the air fed sportage injectors just wont do it. this will take a little modding of the intake and fuel rail.
4th how to manage. basically for piggy back go with the microtec, apexi but i would recomend megasquirt as a stand alone. this way you have total control and monitoring of your system with saving and playback avaialable for troubleshooting and performance enhancing.

the turbo/supercharger debate can be made simple. what type of driving do you do? rally type and on road work best with a turbo. rock crawling and more seriouse off road and sand running go supercharger.

as far as turbo what i came up with is first you need to upgrade the injectors and fuel system. fabbing a turbo manifold is easy as can be and some dsm cars like the talon or eclipse offer a decent turbo with minor takeoff lag that should work nice. i belive its mazda626.com that has a listing of compadable parts.

the things to look around at is heat soak to the intake from the turbo so some moving of wiring is required, also cutting for an intercooler (which i highly recomend to reduce inlet temps and engine killing kr) is needed. 3rd would be to run some form of alky injection. my feel is that with such a small area and low airflow under the hood of a sportage heat soak will help kill your motor. also from what i read in the article - http://members.aol.com/solomiata/FE3.html

you need to drill the block for an oil passage. i was looking into a sandwich adapter to allow for an oil cooler to run as a turbo line.
hope somebody finnaly does it. feel free to ask questions. if i cant ansewer them a freind of mine is running a modded sportage fe3 turbo in his 626 or mx6 i forget which but he runs low 11's in the 1/4r mile on 93 octane pump gas. he should know.

forgot to mention, working the details of a turbo you need to calculate when you want the power. a low rpm will get you some extra tq but will die out abouve 4000. lots of math and reading will help.


1995 nissan maxima se, 5spd short throw, aluminum flywheel and crank pully, stage 3 clutch, custom ported top end, full 2.5 exhaust jdm front end
Re: SPENDIN SOME MONEY........ [Re: flyboy367] #819667 07/08/07 02:31 PM
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Hydra747 Offline
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hey guys, if you want to pick up where i left off with this ill chip in. supercharging using the eaton m90 or smaller m62 (both basically stand alone as far as oiling are redily avaiable in the us and i think are close to the one listed) first you need to mount it. easiest scenario i came up with was to make an adapter to mount to the intake manifold to replace the stock crossover tube and hone out the stock tb and make a mounting plate for it on the supercharger. thats step one. i got into this phase and dropped it when my sporty had some issues and i switched to a camaro.
2nd is to reman the crank pulley for the sc belt and a tensioner setup. still relitivly easy with some $$ to a machine shop.
3rd is your fuel setup. look to the 626 or miata for injectors cause the air fed sportage injectors just wont do it. this will take a little modding of the intake and fuel rail.
4th how to manage. basically for piggy back go with the microtec, apexi but i would recomend megasquirt as a stand alone. this way you have total control and monitoring of your system with saving and playback avaialable for troubleshooting and performance enhancing.

the turbo/supercharger debate can be made simple. what type of driving do you do? rally type and on road work best with a turbo. rock crawling and more seriouse off road and sand running go supercharger.

as far as turbo what i came up with is first you need to upgrade the injectors and fuel system. fabbing a turbo manifold is easy as can be and some dsm cars like the talon or eclipse offer a decent turbo with minor takeoff lag that should work nice. i belive its mazda626.com that has a listing of compadable parts.

the things to look around at is heat soak to the intake from the turbo so some moving of wiring is required, also cutting for an intercooler (which i highly recomend to reduce inlet temps and engine killing kr) is needed. 3rd would be to run some form of alky injection. my feel is that with such a small area and low airflow under the hood of a sportage heat soak will help kill your motor. also from what i read in the article - http://members.aol.com/solomiata/FE3.html

you need to drill the block for an oil passage. i was looking into a sandwich adapter to allow for an oil cooler to run as a turbo line.
hope somebody finnaly does it. feel free to ask questions. if i cant ansewer them a freind of mine is running a modded sportage fe3 turbo in his 626 or mx6 i forget which but he runs low 11's in the 1/4r mile on 93 octane pump gas. he should know.

forgot to mention, working the details of a turbo you need to calculate when you want the power. a low rpm will get you some extra tq but will die out abouve 4000. lots of math and reading will help.


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Re: SPENDIN SOME MONEY........ [Re: Hydra747] #819668 07/08/07 05:40 PM
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flyboy367 Offline
Mudrunner
well to build a setup that wont destroy itself even if you machine it yourself your looking at around 3 grand id say. you got to pay to play


1995 nissan maxima se, 5spd short throw, aluminum flywheel and crank pully, stage 3 clutch, custom ported top end, full 2.5 exhaust jdm front end
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