Engine Swap Ideas? How about a Probe/Mazda MX6 2.2 Turbo. The two biggest problems would be The probe intake points to the Sportage fire wall, and finding a place for the inner cooler. My boy is running a 2.0 Sportage engine with a 2.2 Probe crank in his 89 Probe. He is using a FE3 intake from Japan instead of the Sportage intake and custom pistons. He is still waiting for a new radiator to start braking it in. When (or if) I have to rebuild the Sporgage engine I plan on using a Probe crank if the flywheel bolt patterns match. The 2.2 Probes have lots of bottom end torque which the Sportage is lacking.
Dennis

I'm sure you have seen this link, but for those who haven't: FE3 Motor
I think you may have to go with the 626 or probe flywheel, sportage has too many holes.
Keep us posted on his progress. I have a dead engine in my garage that may get worked over if I hear good things about his project.
Everet <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/patriot.gif" alt="" />

At only 165,000 miles my engine is to healthy right now. When my boy bought his Sportage engine it came out of a auto Kia so I could'nt compare flywheels but I think I'm getting close to needing a clutch so I can compare it to one of his Probe flywheels then. You reminded about the differant bolt holes though. Ill let you know how his goes though. He had less than an hour on his FE3 after the rebuild and a rod let go and put a big hole in the side of his block. The machine shop said it looked like the oil pump pick-up screen could have had shaveing in it. What dead engine do you have in your garage?
Dennis

It's from my 96 sportage that was drinking a quart of oil every 50 miles.
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No holes in it, but it smokes a bit <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/nana.gif" alt="" />
Everet <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/patriot.gif" alt="" />

From a friend who is very experinced in this tranny.



They are the basic same tranny. He knows someone on Pirate who used a Zook tranny in his Kia.

And FWIW, I put the Short up on the lift and the bellhousing is removable. From all aspects and measurements, the GV or Sidekick bellhousing and t-case should work.

I got a used tranny/t-case along with front and rear diffs to start working on. I already have a R&P set that will fit/work in the front diff (Ring gear bolts right on, haven't installed the pinion, but the thread is the same as the kia), and in a taller ratio that stock. Just need to find a rear set, which a Ford buddy of mine says he thing he knows what might work.

this is a Kia Sportage Automatic Transmission.



this is a GV auto tranny.



there does seem to be some similarities, minus the bolt flange on the bellhousing. and it does seem that the bellhousing might be removable and if not, then the tranny can be separated shortly after the bellhousing and the front switched as long as the bolt pattern matches and the internals are the same. that is, if, in fact, it is the same tranny. looks mean nothing until you get them side-by-side.

***edit- and i didn't even look at the tail housing/t-case adapter. it looks way different, but i know the Kia one is removable, just not sure how the rear end of the GV tranny looks as far as bolt pattern and all that.

tim, you might have gotten this one right.

now, if this is true, that means we might be able to use all the tracker/sammy adapter junk from OTT and others to run different cases/ratios/etc. if i had the cash, i'd buy the stuff and do the research, but i don't. in fact, if i can get a vouch for how strong the t-cases may be, i might go this route, myself, instead of building a one-off doubler from scratch.... anybody need a spare Kia t-case?

*******edit- one more edit- just looked at the OTT site and apparently, there isn't anything yet for mating the GV tranny to any of the existing t-cases that have options, but i'm pretty sure there are low gears for the GV t-case, just not sure about doublers.

will keep checking.

uh, ok, did some checking....

if, in fact, the trannies are the same and the zuk adapters from OTT actually DO fit the Kia tranny, probably bolted in place of the tail housing OR, just using the Kia bellhousing/front half of the tranny case (provided the rear half of the Zuk case does bolt right to it), and bolting the Zuk tranny to the rear so that the adapters fit the correct bolt pattern, options become almost unlimited. OTT has a kit for mating just a toy t-case, a toy case to sammy case, a toy case to tracker case (i think), a toy case to d300 and a few others.

just a "for instance"- a stock toy crawl box plus stock dana 300 t-case with stock auto tranny and stock diff ratios nets 82:1 without bothering with the torque converter reduction, which really only takes place on take-off anyway.

with my d44 5.89's- 101:1

with marlin crawler 4.7's in the toy box and lomax 4:1's in the d300?

318:1!!!

ok, so that's one scenario. you could also go dual toy boxes, for 72:1 or with 4.7's in the rear case, 147:1!! or in both cases- 304:1

ridiculous...... but all this depends on either being able to bolt the OTT adapters to the rear of the Kia tranny case in place of the Kia tail housing

OR

being able to bolt the rear half of the Zuk tranny to the front half of the Kia tranny/bellhousing.

looks like it fits, but only way to tell is to get them side-by-side, start taking bolts out and fit it all up.

maybe that's my next step.

once i get out of the red, that is.....

Now this is only for Automatics, correct?
Everet <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/patriot.gif" alt="" />

Gee, are we actually seeing eye-to-eye on something? I've got a Sport auto on my shop floor. From what my inital exterior measurements are, the Sidekick/GV t-case should bolt onto the Kia auto. The Kick and GV t-cases are the same, except the stick GV case has a shorter output shaft and can't use the Kick gears or OTT goodies. My GV has Kick 4.24 gears and fit perfect.

On top of this, the Volvo uses this tranny, except it's not electronic and could be swapped into non-auto Kias a lot easier than the electronic lock-up Zook or Kia incarnations of the AW.

If this works well, the big easy would be the OTT II. Kick t-cases are cheap, and would make a 1.81 underdrive into a Toy t-case which could run Toy axles (I know, you don't like them, but Toys are light, cheap and very strong in stock form for 33-35" tires.)

Our run straight into the Toy case,

Or into a Sammy case,

Or into double cases.

I think the jist of this is, options.

To go the other way, one could leave the drivetrain Kia, and swap bellhousings and some other parts for engine swaps. What could be had? 1.3L 16V Swift GTi motors (this is a pocket rocket screamer and can be built for over well over 200 ponies), 2.0L, 2.5L, and 2.7L Zook (remember, the Zook 2.7 set speed and time records at Pike's Peak). Also are a variety of Toy motors, and the coveted prize, Volvo diesels. With an Axis Power kit, because of the bellhousing swap, you could go for a VW turbodiesel. Wheeling diesel makes things way too easy.

Did you happen to notice I found a front ring gear that fits?

Good, an Aisin-Warner cross reference. I went looking for one the other night and came up empty. Goodness for folks who have an auto tranny. Unfortunately the manual tranny crowd for now is left out in the cold.

But thinking out loud. I think the bellhousing is also removable on the manual tranny. It might be feasible to adapt a Zuk manual tranny and transfer case, if the bolt pattern on the tranny side of the bellhousing is the same. And input shaft length/size.