Thanks for you help jerry dont know if you saw my other post on planetisuzu but I found out that there are 4 a'c realys on my troop, one driver fuse panel, one near blower motor, and two in engine fuse/relay box, I found one bad relay under hood at location K in the relay chart not sure if it is a ac relay but it is bad so worth a shot <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/notooth.gif" alt="" />