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Re: Montero 6G72 vs Diamante 6G72 [Re: FrankR] #828095 08/05/07 11:30 AM
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All of the FWD cars have 10:1 with the same cams to the best I can tell. I do not have info on Chrysler FWD stuff but they were rated from 135HP on up. I sure have no interest going back to the dark ages and see no value in it for anyone else.
Frank, I would defiantly use the car cams with your blower engine, in fact get the Knock sensor and add that circuit into the MS for the future.


Cheers, Charlie
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87 Montero turbo Converted back in Spring1989
95 Montero SR 3.8 DOHC Only one?
93 Pajero 3 door 6G75 Mivec with paddle shifted 5 speed
Then a Gen2 SR with full coil independent suspension.
Re: Montero 6G72 vs Diamante 6G72 [Re: generation_one] #828096 08/05/07 01:09 PM
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Thanks - that solves that riddle and indicates that the Montero/Raider 8.9:1 CR heads have the same cams as the SOHC 12v 3000GT/Stealth cars. That suggests that the HP/TQ changes are due to spark timing and intake/exhaust manifold improvements in the car platform.

The Diamante 10:1 SOHC valve timing specs came from here:

web page

Charlie - I'd like to include knock sensing, but I've read that the sensor mounts in the valley and there's no boss provision in that area on the early 6G72 blocks. I guess I could install a sensor somewhere else on the block, but I'd think the OE location might be the best way. Maybe I'll look for a different block and see what can be done.

Frank

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Re: Montero 6G72 vs Diamante 6G72 [Re: FrankR] #828097 08/05/07 01:36 PM
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1989 5 door montero 3.0 auto
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Re: Montero 6G72 vs Diamante 6G72 [Re: generation_one] #828098 08/14/07 11:04 PM
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Today I looked at 3 Diamante engines in the junkyard.

1) 3.0L 24v DOHC - no interest - don't want a low mount alternator in an off-road truck.

2) 3.0L 12v SOHC sedan - one rusted cam - no interest

3) 3.0L 12v SOHC station wagon - has the knock sensor mounting plate w/sensor - made a deal for $350, but then asked them to look up the interchange on the sedan and station wagon, since car-part.com lists the engines as "non-interchange".

Their answers were a bit muddy, but I did hear that there is either a difference in the cams between the '92 Diamante engines and the '93-'95 - or - there is a difference in the station wagon and sedan cams.

Does anyone have any information on this? I'd like to buy the engine just for the block and cams, but I don't want to pay $350 and have to also buy cams.

I'm already thinking I should pass because this engine isn't the original one that came in the wagon - it's marked with the name of another nearby junkyard, so there's no telling what it might be - but the station wagon/sedan and '92/'93-'95 questions remain if I find another choice.

Frank


'89 [color:"white"]G-Raider[color:"white"] [color:"black"]Supercharged 3.0L, MegaSquirt 2, lockup A/T, 2.5" exhaust, 172k, Cibie H4s/Oscar SCs, Hella Micro DE fogs, Cobra CB, Superwinch hubs, LSD rear/Aussie Locker front, Bilsteins, Lifeline AGM, Rust-Oleum
Re: Montero 6G72 vs Diamante 6G72 [Re: FrankR] #828099 08/14/07 11:27 PM
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I've found it hard to find info on the SOHC diamante, as most of the knowledgable tuner types run the DOHC engine. Good Luck. Once I get Get my transmission swapped out I can turn more of my attention to the engine. Looking forward to hearing what you find out Frank.. With all the differrent cams out there it makes you wonder how many Montero's or Minivans for that matte are running around with reman engines with incorrect cams??

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Re: Montero 6G72 vs Diamante 6G72 [Re: justice] #828100 08/14/07 11:38 PM
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Charlie and I are PMing on this now - you're right.... it is VERY hard to find information on the Diamante engines.

I did find the link below - it shows the '92 Diamante to have one version (202HP/199lb-ft) and another version (no power spec data) - different acceleration times and surprisingly the LS with no specs is quicker.

The '93 Diamante wagon is slower (weight or gearing?), but doesn't give HP/TQ data.

Perhaps a trip to the local dealer is the best way to find out... if I can beg a few minutes with their archived shop manuals.

Mitsubishi Specs

Frank


'89 [color:"white"]G-Raider[color:"white"] [color:"black"]Supercharged 3.0L, MegaSquirt 2, lockup A/T, 2.5" exhaust, 172k, Cibie H4s/Oscar SCs, Hella Micro DE fogs, Cobra CB, Superwinch hubs, LSD rear/Aussie Locker front, Bilsteins, Lifeline AGM, Rust-Oleum
Re: Montero 6G72 vs Diamante 6G72 [Re: FrankR] #828101 08/15/07 12:18 AM
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Charlie is indicating there may be a difference between Australian and Japanese production wrt CR and cams. I think he may be on to something. I found a Diamante forum that contains some info on the sedan/wagon production origins:

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The 1G Ds other than the wagon came from Mitsubishi's Oye plant in Nagoya, Japan, not Australia.

That plant was first constructed in 1920 and closed down in 2001, then sold to Mitsubishi Heavy Industries at the end of 2004, incidentally. It is now part of the Nagoya Aerospace Systems Works, I believe.

For example, of the 10,335 Diamantes sold in the United States in 1995, 9061 were made in Nagoya (the sedans), and 1,274 were made in Australia (the wagons).

In 1996, the last year the first-gen was sold in the USA (although it was actually the last of the 1995 production run), 1,597 Diamantes came from Nagoya and 1,121 from Australia.

The wagons sold in Japan were also made in Australia, incidentally (I believe this applies to *both* the 1G and 2G wagons, the latter of which was never sold in the USA).


diamante owners forum

I'm guessing that only the Japanese produced sedans have the more aggressive cams and 10:1 CR.

Frank


'89 [color:"white"]G-Raider[color:"white"] [color:"black"]Supercharged 3.0L, MegaSquirt 2, lockup A/T, 2.5" exhaust, 172k, Cibie H4s/Oscar SCs, Hella Micro DE fogs, Cobra CB, Superwinch hubs, LSD rear/Aussie Locker front, Bilsteins, Lifeline AGM, Rust-Oleum
Re: Montero 6G72 vs Diamante 6G72 [Re: FrankR] #828102 08/15/07 03:11 AM
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Quote
it shows the '92 Diamante to have one version (202HP/199lb-ft) and another version (no power spec data) - different acceleration times and surprisingly the LS with no specs is quicker.


Aha! From the Diamante owners forum, I found a spec reference for the '92 DOHC 24v engine:

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type: Aluminum head, iron block, V6
valve train: DOHC, four valves
displacement: 182 cu. inches / 2972 cc
bore and stroke: 3.59/2.99 in., 91.0/76.0 mm
compression ratio: 10.0:1
horse power: (SAE) 202 bhp @ 6000rpm
bhp/liter: 68.0
torque: 199 lb-ft @3000rpm
max rpm: 7000rpm
fuel injection: mitsubishi ECI-multi elect. port
req fuel: unleaded, 91 oct.


So, if the above non-spec'd version is the SOHC 12v, it may be that the SOHC 12v is quicker off the line with only 175HP, but the DOHC 24v is probably better up top - likely much better for a light, high-revving sports car with a M/T. Here's an interesting snip from the same forum:

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The SOHC 12 valve Diamante engine produces 175 HP at the crank, the DOHC Diamante engine produces 200/202 HP at the crank. The 3000GT DOHC engine is the same exact engine, but is rated at 222/218 HP at the crank because of a more perfomance oriented computer, intake, and exhaust. But that rating was overrated by Mitsubishi, it actually makes around 210HP at the crank and puts down about 160-170whp(stock). This is conclusive of DTL VS dyno results comparison. If you want to keep the engine stock and produce about 25 more HP up top and don't care about low end, then you should swap to the DOHC engine. If you plan on seriously building the engine and putting some power through it, then build a SOHC, as I'm currently doing. I plan on 600HP at the wheels.

All these engines are 10:1 compression except for the TT engine which is stock 8:1 and the SOHC 3000GT engine which is 8.9:1 compression.


I agree with his suggestion wrt the SOHC engine - particularly for my purpose - but he doesn't mention the station wagon engine. It's looking like the 10:1 CR sedan engine has the cams I want.

Frank

Last edited by FrankR; 08/15/07 03:21 AM.

'89 [color:"white"]G-Raider[color:"white"] [color:"black"]Supercharged 3.0L, MegaSquirt 2, lockup A/T, 2.5" exhaust, 172k, Cibie H4s/Oscar SCs, Hella Micro DE fogs, Cobra CB, Superwinch hubs, LSD rear/Aussie Locker front, Bilsteins, Lifeline AGM, Rust-Oleum
Re: Montero 6G72 vs Diamante 6G72 [Re: FrankR] #828103 08/15/07 12:17 PM
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I do not know if I can get to it today or not but my station wagon engine is sitting in storage, I may try to get a chance to lift a valve cover and get a cam code from it. I was on the phone with a customer most of last night and did not get far with relearning what I thought I knew. There are more variations in the SOHC 12V than I thought.


Cheers, Charlie
If It ain't broke, Modify it!
87 Montero turbo Converted back in Spring1989
95 Montero SR 3.8 DOHC Only one?
93 Pajero 3 door 6G75 Mivec with paddle shifted 5 speed
Then a Gen2 SR with full coil independent suspension.
Re: Montero 6G72 vs Diamante 6G72 [Re: OldColt] #828104 08/16/07 09:43 PM
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Today I went to the new Mitsubishi dealer and asked to look through the shop manuals for Diamante cam specs. After all of the parts I've bought from them, the answer I got was that they didn't get the FSMs from the old dealer due to a p*ssing contest over the dealership sale. Sooooo, I went to the old dealer and asked them if they had them..... no, they had given them to the new dealer. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

Anyway, a mechanic offered to look in the computer program - no luck... didn't go back far enough.

I just called the dealer in Augusta, GA (home of nice folks) who have been a dealer for a long time. Right away, they said "Come on over here - you can look through any FSMs we have - and we have the FSMs for both the station wagon and sedan." <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

So, I made an appointment for next Thursday - it'll be worth the 120 mile drive to get the specs for all Gen1 Diamante years..... and I might even buy those good ol' boys a hamburger. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />

I'll post the specs when I get them.

Frank


'89 [color:"white"]G-Raider[color:"white"] [color:"black"]Supercharged 3.0L, MegaSquirt 2, lockup A/T, 2.5" exhaust, 172k, Cibie H4s/Oscar SCs, Hella Micro DE fogs, Cobra CB, Superwinch hubs, LSD rear/Aussie Locker front, Bilsteins, Lifeline AGM, Rust-Oleum
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