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Re: 3VZ vs. 5VZ musings
[Re: Adam F]
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09/05/07 04:16 AM
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Joined: Feb 2005
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Body Damage is Cool
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if your going to swap cranks around...why not a 383 stroker?
97 FZJ80, Stock, Factory Lockers.
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Re: 3VZ vs. 5VZ musings
[Re: RatLabGuy]
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09/05/07 07:49 AM
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Joined: Apr 2002
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Not bein gfrom CA... I'mnot familiar w/ thsi issue. Is it not legal to change the motor? Or, do you just have to have all teh matching equip for the donor vehicle? Here in Ca you have to swap everything over from the donor rig, i.e all of the smog equipment/exhaust, sensors, ecu, etc. must be swapped over, then it must be inspected/certified by a C.A.R.B. referee before any smog shop can test it. Here is another fun <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/zombie.gif" alt="" /> bit of info for those here in CA, according to my smog tech as of Nov. 1st of this year all pre-OBII vehicles will now also have to have a fuel tank pressurization/leak test. The test will be pumping the system full of hydrogen (IIRC) and see if you have a leak, if it leaks you fail the smog test. From what I understand it is to test the charcoal canister and return fuel lines.
More than tread lightly. Leave it like you were never there, nor anyone else. '90 X-cab 4.88's 33 BFG AT's, rr ARB, Headers, Ignition upgrade, cold air induction. '91 X-cab 5.29's 315's BFG MT's, rr ARB, custom bumper and flatbed
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Re: 3VZ vs. 5VZ musings
[Re: Snowtoy]
#833829
09/05/07 08:19 AM
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Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 1,674
OP
Body Damage is Cool
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Here is another fun <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/zombie.gif" alt="" /> bit of info for those here in CA, according to my smog tech as of Nov. 1st of this year all pre-OBII vehicles will now also have to have a fuel tank pressurization/leak test. The test will be pumping the system full of hydrogen (IIRC) and see if you have a leak, if it leaks you fail the smog test. From what I understand it is to test the charcoal canister and return fuel lines. #@$(*&$#^@# Seriously? I do have a plugged charcoal canister, and I have a hole cut in the fuel hose to relieve pressure. Sonofa... There goes more money I can't afford to spend. But that doesn't really make sense, considering our charcoal canisters are vented at the bottom anyway... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />
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Re: 3VZ vs. 5VZ musings
[Re: Snowtoy]
#833830
09/05/07 04:24 PM
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Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 5,986
Toyota Section Staffer
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Not bein gfrom CA... I'mnot familiar w/ thsi issue. Is it not legal to change the motor? Or, do you just have to have all teh matching equip for the donor vehicle? Here in Ca you have to swap everything over from the donor rig, i.e all of the smog equipment/exhaust, sensors, ecu, etc. must be swapped over, then it must be inspected/certified by a C.A.R.B. referee before any smog shop can test it. Same in Colorado, but I had no trouble passing it. I used the charcoal canister from the 22RE, but all the 5VZ VSPVs and tubing (it set a code if I didn't plumb it correctly). Here is another fun <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/zombie.gif" alt="" /> bit of info for those here in CA, according to my smog tech as of Nov. 1st of this year all pre-OBII vehicles will now also have to have a fuel tank pressurization/leak test. The test will be pumping the system full of hydrogen (IIRC) and see if you have a leak, if it leaks you fail the smog test. From what I understand it is to test the charcoal canister and return fuel lines.
Fortunately in CO they just test the gas cap.
-Bill '87 4Runner w/ '96 5VZ-FE, 'Red Chili II' '97 Taco XtraCab 3RZ-FE, 'BlackBean' TLCA # 13257, Rising Sun 4x4 Club Land Use Coordinator "He who stops being better stops being good." -Oliver Cromwell
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Re: 3VZ vs. 5VZ musings
[Re: Snowtoy]
#833831
09/05/07 04:38 PM
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Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 970
Rock Warrior
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Bwahahaha
Meanwhile, in NC they just changed the law... so that anything pre-96 is safety inspection only. No more sniff-tests. I *think* they're still supposed to do "visual" for emissions (e.g. look and see that it's there) but nobody does it. My last inspection took about 45 seconds, I didn't even get out.
With 200+ Billion electrical parts, the world most complicated machine is inside your own skull.
Question Reality. ----------------------------- '89 Rnr DLX "SR4.5", 32s w/ 5.29 locked f/r blah blah
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Re: 3VZ vs. 5VZ musings
[Re: stock87]
#833832
09/06/07 05:52 AM
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Joined: Apr 2002
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#@$(*&$#^@#
Seriously? I do have a plugged charcoal canister, and I have a hole cut in the fuel hose to relieve pressure. Sonofa...
There goes more money I can't afford to spend.
But that doesn't really make sense, considering our charcoal canisters are vented at the bottom anyway... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> I wish I was only kidding, but it sounds like a sure thing according to the tech. He figures that it will take an additional 20 minutes, so he is going to charge another $22 to smog, his rate will be about $68/smog plus certificate, if it takes longer he is going to have to hire another tech so it can be done while conducting the emmision test. If he has to go this route he will charge $90-100 plus certificate. It will be interesting to see how things go in November once testing starts. It doesn't seem that likely that that the amount of fuel escaping durring the return is as much a problem as the pollutants comming out the exhaust rfrom the older vehicles. According to the tech, along with this new test, they have permanently smog exempted all cars from '75 back, and all cars from '76 on become exemp when they become 30yrs old providing the owner carries collector car insurance on it. This is just another bonehead move by the legislature to give the appearance that they are doing something while achieving nothing to reduce emmisions. The state emmision standard for new vehicles hasn't been changed since since '93, if they would have reduced the limits for new vehicles they could leave the older ones alone with the original test.
More than tread lightly. Leave it like you were never there, nor anyone else. '90 X-cab 4.88's 33 BFG AT's, rr ARB, Headers, Ignition upgrade, cold air induction. '91 X-cab 5.29's 315's BFG MT's, rr ARB, custom bumper and flatbed
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Re: 3VZ vs. 5VZ musings/*Story time!
[Re: bodo]
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09/06/07 01:09 PM
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Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 3,576
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You would have some missing headbolts.
There was a guy on another board claiming to have 3.4 heads on a 3.0 and after going out to the shop and looking I thought to myself BS. After staring at this crap and thinking maybe there was a year change I called in the Toyota gurus.
Tim at DOA racing said noway because of headbolts and valve timing, John at LCE said the samething, and Ted at enginebldr sent me a very colorfull and detailed email confirming what the other guys had said. >>>*I spend a lot of time trying to figure out how to get something that doesn't belong into a place it won't go. I remember being about 8 years old and the engine in my Dad's 1940 Chevy went "Clunk!" and quit. Dad called it his "Crummy", it was the ranch work rig, he had floated it down the river from Toledo on a log raft. Back then there was no road to our ranch which is a place called Boone Island, so just about everything came down the river, even a TD-14 bulldozer and a 1948 Farmall "M" tractor which we still have on the ranch. Which reminds me, I need to go down to the barn and start that up. So Dad took the boat to Town, two of my brothers and me went with him. He found and bought an engine, it was a Chrysler flathead. He paid $40 for the engine and transmission. The four of us rassled the thing onto a float and back home we went, towing it behind us with the old boat. We beached the raft and then had to drag the engine up the bank, I had mud up to my..well, you know.. Dad made some mounting brackets and stuffed the engine into the old Chevy, welded one end of the driveshaft to the other end, fired it up and back to work he went. I remember that well, I was the one that got to cut the shafts off with a hacksaw. (My other two brothers were bigger than me back then, and my little brother was too young and good at hiding when there was work to be done..*still does, in fact.) Later on after I sorta wrecked the crummy by running it into the rear end of Dad's winch truck he pulled the old flathead out and stuck it in his 26' boat. *Ever see a boat with a 3 speed transmission? (She trolled good...*LOL**). The point is like my Dad said. "If ya got a cutting torch and a file you can put anything into anything..." *Well...probably we aren't going to put 5V heads on a 3V block, though.... Now the Camry heads?...*Course, if we wanted to do that, why not just go get a Camry engine? It's amazing how much more power we can get out of four little valves as opposed to just two bigger ones. Things like airflow, fuel distribution, etc, all count up. 10-20 ponies doesn't sound like a lot of gain, but when we realize that is all net to the driving wheels...it a LOT!...*EB
*Beats the he** outa me!....*LOL**...
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