Empirically (at this point) no. We cannot recreate the event and besides that, under the contention that 9-11 was an inside job, we are dealing with ommission and suppression of facts about what really happened.

Folk that ride the fence on this seem to do so because the evidence is circumstancial. There is no reason tho to have a problem with circumstancial evidence. Circumstancial evidence is a very common way of establishing guilt or innocence in a legal setting through rational deductive reasoning. There is nothing irrational or unreasonable about the allegation and its accompanying circumstancial evidence. Its been done ad nauseum throughout history. The overwhelming QUANTITY of corraborating, circumstancial evidence around that whole day makes a very solid case that 9-11 was an inside job.

On the flip side, the circumstancial evidence claimed by the official conspiracy is quite laughable and cannot explain the ommissions and contradictions. Like my first post suggests - this is a botched coverup - the left hand isn't aware of what the right hand is doing and saying and not saying and as a result the story continues to fall apart.



You'll have to go back to Sept 11, 1990 to start finding answers. IMO the real story goes much further back than that. What did they hope to gain can be answered on one level on the empire building doctrine found in the Project for New American Century. We're only part of the way there with that but it shan't be long now. Then there's the domestic policy that is in just beginning in our transformation from national sovereignty to a EU type of system... Real ID in 08. Presidential directives and executive orders are the new way of deciding our fate. But this is all slow going - they need another 9-11 to kick it up to the next level. All of this in sync with the 5 Mega Corps that own all of your media. ALL OF IT. All of thier heads being members of the CFR and other NEW WORLD ORDER entities.

There is also the monetary aspect to this. There's no secret who profitted from the event and from the policies and wars raged as a result. Following the money up to 9/11 is also interesting. The Press for Truth vid I posted touches on this. Who Killed John O' Neil is a tedious screenplay, but does a good job with connecting the dots and exposing the New World Order's modus operandi.

The end game is apocalyptic. But you don't have to crack open the Good Book to see this is so. The truth is hidden in plain view. Go to the CIA's website, go to JTFCOM's, NORTHCOM's, STRATCOM's, J9's, the NRO, the CFR's, DARPA's, Boeing's, Raytheon's, NSA's... look into Sentient World Simulation, AMDOCS, UN population control and eugenics, Bilderberger Group, the Rothschilds, CFR, NRO, the World Bank, cyberkinetic transhumanistic "Singularity" and the "hive mind system", the Global Information Grid, The National Initiative, TIA/Matrix, blah blah blah...you think I'm a kook read about these org's that we put our blind faith in to "keep us safe".

Either one wants to know and are willing to do something about it or will want to live in thier delusional reality that is in fact based on denial. Bias (our government would NEVER do that) combined with ignorance of the data out there allows it to happen - and it will happen again very soon. You WILL effectively say - "Bret is full of sh--t I'm "outta here". So be it. Sig Heil.

It sounds like your ok with the government invading peoples private property and killing thier wife and child. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> (Ruby Ridge reference). How can so many good patriots be against personal rights? Killed his wife and child over a sawed off shotgun he had in the middle of nowhere. Dont you SC boys believe in gun rights? I know you do Landraider. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />



Its not our country, its our governmaent that is SO bad. Nobody has ever said this country is bad. How about doing our part to try to change what we think is wrong with our government. My blood has been here since the 1600s, way longer then the current dictators family. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/mrt.gif" alt="" /> I wont be leaving.......Well not until the cattlecars show up with FrankR loading up all the "troublemakers" <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />

You'd be surprised.

Look at this link that I've already posted. Barry Jennings - Deputy Director of Emergency Service for NYC. Barry went to WTC7 early in day apparently to meet Rudy. WTC7 fell in the exact manner of a controlled demolition which our government says was due to debris that fell on it from the towers and ignited a fire. Barry was in there and experiencing the bombs going off BEFORE either of the towers collapsed. How do you explain this? Is he a liar?

Barry submitted his testimony to the 9-11 Commission. It was ommitted from the Report. Barry told his story to the live cameras on the ground that day - his footage was edited to make you think he was talking about the towers. Like the countless others whose testimony was silenced, they've had nothing to gain by it. But who gains by it if they are lying?

The lie was fed to you before you even had time to think (BTW the 'expert' in that clip - Jerome Hauer, was managing director at Kroll Associates during the attacks - keep that in mind if and when you watch Who Killed John O Neil.

Hey Bretwalda, How many of those alledged saudi hijackers turned out to be alive and well?


Get ready for American Hiroshima gentlemen. The last needed event for martial law and complete disarmament of the American people. It will be blamed on some country with oil that does'nt have technology to pull off such an event, but we will be force fed that story until its fact. And if Bush does'nt get it done Queen Hillary will. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/barf.gif" alt="" />

<img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />
<img src="/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />
<img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />



These "experts" you speak of........have they ever had any "credible" bullcrap....I mean, evidence, about how all those explosives got there??? Seems to me it would take probably several weeks to wire just 1 of the towers (with professionals working all day long every day) to implode, then probably many more weeks to do all the "cover up" work needed to make sure those explosives and associated wiring was hidden from view of all the workers and employees in the building. Then, they'd have to do the other tower in the same fashion. And these buildings are occupied constantly by office workers and employees. When did they plant these "explosives"???


Hey, maybe they built that stuff in way back when the towers were originally constructed, and maybe this conspiracy is even deeper than you think. Maybe it was all part of the original building plans.


Or maybe, the people who planted the bombs have some of those "memory erasers" like in the movie Men in Black?? And they zapped everyone on the way out of the buildings for months leading up to this conspiracy, so they "forgot" they saw people planting bombs all day long.


Yea, and maybe pigs can fly. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/butwiggle.gif" alt="" />

With all the people that would have been involved, wouldnt someone have said something? Or are they all dead?

Like I said I would never presume to KNOW for certain what happend. I have read that many folks that worked in the towers claimed the bomb dogs were removed and there WERE crews of unknown workers with security clearance running around the buildings in the weeks before the tragedy.

Not saying its true for sure, just saying its possible.
I dont even think Bretwalda thinks he KNOWS FOR CERTAIN but the evidence is there and should be studied. The truth will never be known if we just act like Pollyannas and wont even consider it could have been an inside job.

No, what I'm suggesting is that conspiracy theorists are more likely than others to take the next step toward the belief that the government is inherently evil. The next step is to accumulate illegal arms, which can then lead to the use of them - or a defiant stance against authority charged with bringing lawbreakers to justice. It's sorta like the drug argument that marijuana is harmless..... perhaps it is, but it's interesting how many hard drug addicts began with smoking "harmless" marijuana. I'm not saying it's wron or illegal to hold conspiracy theories - just that care must be exercised so that "imagined" threats don't lead one down the wrong path.




Yes, I believe in gun rights..... for legal weapons. A sawed off shotgun isn't legal anywhere I go. Your "middle of nowhere" excuse could be extended to owning a Patriot missile battery in Wyoming..... I don't think it would be looked upon with approval by many.

Frank

ACTUALLY a sawed off shotgun is perfectly legal in MOST places you go.

Wait what?? You have to be in wyoming to get a missile battery?!!? DAMN! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

<img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> This is a whole nother argument all together.

Does'nt hold water. Everybody starts with beer or tobacco. Just because you may prefer the buzz of alcohol over pot and stopped with alcohol does not make you morally on higher ground. This is the part where you say"but its ilegal" yup and so was alcohol.


A sawed off shotgun is NOT I repeat NOT a missle battery. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> It actually has less range then a regular shotgun and has great potential for a "guide gun". I used to have a 10 guage with 00 with a shortened (not sawed off) barrel. Randy payed with his wife and son for that one.