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Brake system query #837767 09/24/07 04:33 AM
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Egelwolf Offline OP
Getting the Wheeling Fever
Driving on a gravel road results in my Van's brakes not doing anything when the pedal is pushed <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/scared.gif" alt="" />. Pumping the pedal brings the brake level back up again.

I bled the system and checked for leaks on the slave cylinders, nothing. Faulty master cylinder?


'99 Isuzu Frontier (Rodeo) Intercooled 280DT LX
Re: Brake system query [Re: Egelwolf] #837768 09/25/07 06:14 AM
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trooperbc Offline
Mudrunner
do you have ABS?

//bc


1992 sohc trooper 3.2l v6 automatic . . . as is

i love a good intermittent electrical challenge. . .especially when it's someone else's.
Re: Brake system query [Re: trooperbc] #837769 09/25/07 06:23 AM
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Egelwolf Offline OP
Getting the Wheeling Fever
No ABS. The pedal goes all soft until its been pumped a few times ...


'99 Isuzu Frontier (Rodeo) Intercooled 280DT LX
Re: Brake system query [Re: Egelwolf] #837770 09/25/07 07:10 AM
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mlclark Offline
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I would suspect that you do have some sort of ABS or rear wheel ABS. I didn't think Isuzu made anything that lacked ABS in one form or another post-1988. At a 1999 version, I would guess that you do have 4-wheel ABS.

Michael

Re: Brake system query [Re: mlclark] #837771 09/25/07 07:22 AM
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Egelwolf Offline OP
Getting the Wheeling Fever
My vehicle is similar to the 1st Gen Rodeo found in the USA. I'm 100% sure that there is no form of ABS on this vehicle. It has a load sensing valve system at the rear axle.

In South Africa we never upgraded to the 2nd Gen Rodeo's. Being where we are in the world and the size of our economy, Isuzu / GM thought that it would be to costly to invest in the marketing and distribution of the newer Rodeo's in SA <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />


'99 Isuzu Frontier (Rodeo) Intercooled 280DT LX
Re: Brake system query [Re: Egelwolf] #837772 09/25/07 02:54 PM
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mlclark Offline
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OK, that makes sense.

But, Isuzu never used a LSPV on the rear axle, except for the "1-ton" long bed, 2wd pickups (1988-ish). I don't mean to keep telling you what you do or don't have, I am just trying to clear up what is really there. For all we know, Isuzu had some parts left over. It would not be the first time. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Is there a sensor attached to the top of the pinion side of the differential? If it is there, it would be dead center and insert from the front side of the axle. Follow the brake lines forward. Do they meet a valve somewhere on the right side frame rail? It should have a simple electrical connector and a few brake lines coming in and out of it.

Michael

Re: Brake system query [Re: mlclark] #837773 09/25/07 05:01 PM
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Egelwolf Offline OP
Getting the Wheeling Fever
Michael

I assume the directions you are giving relates to the ABS distribution module, if I can call it that ... :S

If that is the case, my vehicle does not have it fitted. the only assembly tight above the rear axle that has a bunch of brake lines all over the place, is the LSPV assy.

LSPV are common here in South Africa, it's found on most of our smaller "budget" passenger cars all the way through to the 1-ton pick-ups. Off-course on the luxury vehicles with all their fancy electronis, this valve is absent.

I forgot to mention earlier that the brake fluid reservoir is filled to the maximum mark.


'99 Isuzu Frontier (Rodeo) Intercooled 280DT LX
Re: Brake system query [Re: mlclark] #837774 09/25/07 06:04 PM
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randii Offline
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I would suspect that you do have some sort of ABS or rear wheel ABS. I didn't think Isuzu made anything that lacked ABS in one form or another post-1988. At a 1999 version, I would guess that you do have 4-wheel ABS.

Ummm... 88? None of my Amigii have had that, and they have been 1989, 1990, and 1990.

As I recall, later first-gen Amigo vehicles came with rear-wheel ABS, though.

I'm not sure where the break is...

Randii

Re: Brake system query [Re: Egelwolf] #837775 09/26/07 08:09 AM
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trooperbc Offline
Mudrunner
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Driving on a gravel road results in my Van's brakes not doing anything when the pedal is pushed <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/scared.gif" alt="" />. Pumping the pedal brings the brake level back up again.

I bled the system and checked for leaks on the slave cylinders, nothing. Faulty master cylinder?


ok, so what do you think the gravel road has to do with it?

//bc


1992 sohc trooper 3.2l v6 automatic . . . as is

i love a good intermittent electrical challenge. . .especially when it's someone else's.
Re: Brake system query [Re: trooperbc] #837776 09/26/07 08:19 AM
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Egelwolf Offline OP
Getting the Wheeling Fever
Because this only happens when I drive on a gravel road at speed ( aprox 90km/h / 56mph )


'99 Isuzu Frontier (Rodeo) Intercooled 280DT LX
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