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Re: Isuzu sued over trooper design [Re: HCMP] #842225 10/20/07 08:55 AM
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Howard Neil Offline
Getting the Wheeling Fever
Here in the UK, this potential problem seems to have been corrected. My 1999 Trooper has a different light layout. There are an additional two light clusters in the rear bumper (fender?). They contain the rear lights and indicators and can easily be seen when both doors are open.

Re: Isuzu sued over trooper design [Re: Howard Neil] #842226 10/20/07 03:48 PM
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Wayne Offline
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Wouldn't the reflector on the top-inside of the hood only work if you were facing the wrong way in traffic? ;-)

I always carry a set of reflector belts to wear, and some flares in my jumper cable bag.

When I help people and they say, "is there anything I can do to repay you" I tell them if they really want, they can give me a buck per flare--and then go buy a pack of their own! And maybe a little safety gear as well.

If nothing else, it makes them think that someone is sacrificing (time, money, injury risk) to help them. I know they think about it because I get asked, "Where can you buy flares?"

My favorite reply: "You can get them by the case if you go down to the donut shop and get them out of the back of a cop car. Or try any auto parts store, it's usually easier."

Using humor to reinforce.

(Help is something I've rarely got when I broke down--and sometimes people refuse to help if you ask! I never refuse anyone who needs a jump.)


[color:"white"]? 04 Rodeo DI ?[/color] 75k mi, body damage on the 1st weekend I got it.
Re: Isuzu sued over trooper design [Re: Wayne] #842227 10/20/07 10:48 PM
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litnin Offline
Rock Warrior
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Wouldn't the reflector on the top-inside of the hood only work if you were facing the wrong way in traffic? ;-)


Umm... No.

If you're on a two lane road, it will help the oncoming traffic see you. Especially, if you happen to be stopped just
outside, inside, or actually in a curve.

I also have strobe lights in all four corners that I can
turn off, if needed.

I too carry flares and a rotating yellow magnetic beacon
that plugs in to a cigarette lighter.


1995 Trooper LS auto 3.2 DOHC /w SOHC intake
1989 Trooper 2.6 auto
1989 I-Mark RS DOHC 1.6
1991 Stylus XS DOHC 1.8
Re: Isuzu sued over trooper design [Re: litnin] #842228 10/21/07 05:41 AM
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88SuperTrooper Offline
Mudrunner
As I Posted on Planet Isuzu: I fail to see how this is Isuzu's Fault. Isuzu Had Nothing to do with it. Isuzu Caused the Accident? Um No. The Kids have no legs. Big Deal. It was the OTHER drivers Fault. Going too fast for road conditions. She got in trouble for it. Blame the Manufacture for your problems, Right on hell yeah, all my Issues go away. GO after someone with money. This is like saying Winchester Rifles Kill People. UM NO THEY DONT, ANYONE WHO DISAGREES, Ill Argue it. People Kill people and we all know it.

Isuzu isnt at Fault. 100% Not Guilty. if it were me Id Sue the Other Driver, thats not me. Isuzu should say:" Sorry you lost your only Pair, but Its not our problem your Legless from standing behind our Trooper on the side of an Interstate when SomeOne else hit you."

I 100% honestly belive Isuzu should be left out of it. Not their Problem. Im more than Pissed that this has to be one of the MOST assanine LawSuits I have ever seen and heard. Most People are so Sue Happy these days you cant fart without causing emotional distress.


89'Isuzu Trooper LS 5 spd 2.6L
31" Big O X/T's
15x8 Eagle 058's
K&N Filter w/ Air Box Mod
2.25" DynoMax SuperTurbo
PolyUrathane/Indy4X Bushings
Suspension/ FrontEnd Tech/Hunter Certified Alignment Tech.
Re: Isuzu sued over trooper design [Re: DieselBob] #842229 10/21/07 05:52 AM
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88SuperTrooper Offline
Mudrunner
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I would throw this out of court just because of the faulty premise below.

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"The 1999 Trooper was improperly designed in such a manner that, when the right rear door is opened, the door obscures the right rear lights, reflectors and emergency hazard lights from the view of vehicles approaching from behind," the lawsuit states.


unless there is a design difference in this one Trooper, the right rear door does not need to be opened to retrieve the exterior mounted spare or the jack / handle and lug wrench located inside the left rear storage area. Could it be that the operator of the vehicle unintentionally placed themselves at risk by not properly securing said spare tire and jack in the locations provided for this purpose by the vehicle manufacturer.


What "DOOR" are they speaking of: All the Troopers I have seen have the "2" Doors and Tire is mounted on the back "Door" on the LEFT Side when Opened, with the Right side door when opened making it very "stubby". Also as far as I know: The Jack and tools are still located under the drvers seat?

What Design Flaw? Isuzu made it easy to change a Flat on a Trooper. I can change mine in 10 min if that. Ive done it in the Snow too, Not that hard..... Instead of a LawSuit, Just MOVE ON. No one else has EVER had this Issue. But those 2 "Kids".


89'Isuzu Trooper LS 5 spd 2.6L
31" Big O X/T's
15x8 Eagle 058's
K&N Filter w/ Air Box Mod
2.25" DynoMax SuperTurbo
PolyUrathane/Indy4X Bushings
Suspension/ FrontEnd Tech/Hunter Certified Alignment Tech.
Re: Isuzu sued over trooper design [Re: litnin] #842230 10/21/07 09:02 PM
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Wayne Offline
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Wouldn't the reflector on the top-inside of the hood only work if you were facing the wrong way in traffic? ;-)

Umm... No.

If you're on a two lane road, it will help the oncoming traffic see you. Especially, if you happen to be stopped just outside, inside, or actually in a curve.

I also have strobe lights in all four corners that I can turn off, if needed.

I too carry flares and a rotating yellow magnetic beacon that plugs in to a cigarette lighter.

I think we were on different wavelengths. The original discussion was about direct safety. I'm not disagreeing reflective tape helps oncoming traffic notice you, I was thinking that if you're well off the road to the far right (past asphalt, if possible), it generally doesn't provide much in the way of safety from traffic on the far left.

Generally because if someone is drunk or not looking at the road, reflective tape doesn't matter--and in the case of drunks, the light might draw them to you! I'll also assume you would not stop on a sharp curve (stop before or coast until after) unless you had no other option.

And if you installed strobe lights on all four corners of your vehicle and carry a rotating yellow light, that puts any safety measure I have to shame.

Can you take a picture of where you mounted strobe lights? I can't see them mounted externally in the picture. I have a small portable one for diving that I take with me when I'm biking at night; it runs of a single AA and works great to alert drivers on the road turning left in front of me (a regular bike light wasn't working.)

They are inexpensive (Under $25. ) But unless I wanted to tear apart a light fixture I can't picture how to mount it without having it look very odd. Do yo have some easy method?


[color:"white"]? 04 Rodeo DI ?[/color] 75k mi, body damage on the 1st weekend I got it.
Re: Isuzu sued over trooper design [Re: Gizzy42] #842231 10/22/07 12:05 AM
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Wayne Offline
Roll Me Over
This case might be of interest--especially if you live in Oregon

Man buys truck on Craigslist.
One year later, axle breaks and truck crashes into another car.
Victim sues not everyone, but the two companies who had previously owned the truck for negligence
Victim wins, all the way up to Oregon Supreme court.

How is this related to the thread? It answers the question--suing is about money. Sue the corporations, not the individual owners, which is why Isuzu is the one getting sued.

Why does this affect you? Ever sell anything that might break, or have been used incorrectly, or been used on something that did break? Ever imagine selling a house and being sued by the 3rd owner, 20 years later?

As the article says:
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What can you do to protect yourself? I doubt that your insurance covers it -- at least auto policies end when the vehicle is sold, and I'd be surprised if a standard homeowners policy wouldn't work the same way. There's no way to get a release in advance from everyone who might be hurt by breakdowns of your former stuff while it's in the hands of future owners whom you don't even know.


Great--I can skip that mechanic's inspection in the future! I'll just sue if anything breaks down.


[color:"white"]? 04 Rodeo DI ?[/color] 75k mi, body damage on the 1st weekend I got it.
Re: Isuzu sued over trooper design [Re: Wayne] #842232 10/22/07 03:36 AM
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litnin Offline
Rock Warrior
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...I was thinking that if you're well off the road to the far right (past asphalt, if possible), it generally doesn't provide much in the way of safety from traffic on the far left.


Either way, the tape is seen.
If you are oncoming and I have the hood up, you will see the tape.
If you are going the same direction as me, you'll see the
tape on the rear doors or the side doors, if they are open.
And just to be more clear, it's not actually tape.
It's road sign material. It's the same reflective material
that road signs are made from. I just cut it in strips.
It's more reflective than the tape you buy at the parts or RV stores.

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Can you take a picture of where you mounted strobe lights? I can't see them mounted externally in the picture. I have a small portable one for diving that I take with me when I'm biking at night; it runs of a single AA and works great to alert drivers on the road turning left in front of me (a regular bike light wasn't working.)

They are inexpensive (Under $25. ) But unless I wanted to tear apart a light fixture I can't picture how to mount it without having it look very odd. Do yo have some easy method?


I'm not talking about little bicycle strobe lights.
I'm talking about full blown emergency vehicle strobe lights, made by Whelen.
I've got one in each corner and you can't see them externally, unless they are turned on.
In the front, they are mounted in the housing of the spot
light that turns on when you signal.
The rears are mounted inside the back up light reflector.
To be legal, they have to be inside the clear lenses.
Inside the red or amber lens, they are illegal in Georgia (as I believe they would be in most states).


1995 Trooper LS auto 3.2 DOHC /w SOHC intake
1989 Trooper 2.6 auto
1989 I-Mark RS DOHC 1.6
1991 Stylus XS DOHC 1.8
Re: Isuzu sued over trooper design [Re: 88SuperTrooper] #842233 10/22/07 03:44 AM
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litnin Offline
Rock Warrior
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What "DOOR" are they speaking of: All the Troopers I have seen have the "2" Doors and Tire is mounted on the back "Door" on the LEFT Side when Opened, with the Right side door when opened making it very "stubby". Also as far as I know: The Jack and tools are still located under the drivers seat?


No, when you open the rear door (the one with the tire on it), on a second generation Trooper, it blocks the tail lamp assembly when viewed from behind.
And no, on 2nd generation Troopers, the jack and
tools are located inside a little compartment in the cargo
area on the left hand side. The 1st generation Trooper
had the jack and tools under the seat and the jack handle
and extension under the hood.


1995 Trooper LS auto 3.2 DOHC /w SOHC intake
1989 Trooper 2.6 auto
1989 I-Mark RS DOHC 1.6
1991 Stylus XS DOHC 1.8
Re: Isuzu sued over trooper design [Re: litnin] #842234 10/22/07 04:41 AM
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88SuperTrooper Offline
Mudrunner
Ok I see now, but I still fail to see how this is even close to being Isuzu's Problem. I hope Isuzu strings this out over 100 years, it will be worth it by then.


89'Isuzu Trooper LS 5 spd 2.6L
31" Big O X/T's
15x8 Eagle 058's
K&N Filter w/ Air Box Mod
2.25" DynoMax SuperTurbo
PolyUrathane/Indy4X Bushings
Suspension/ FrontEnd Tech/Hunter Certified Alignment Tech.
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