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Rs vs LS #843463 10/24/07 07:19 PM
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MadGary Offline OP
Getting the Wheeling Fever
Hi, I got a 1990 LS LWB about 6 months ago, and I'm loving it.
When I went to buy mine, I noticed there were a few other RS Montero's available from different sellers. Is there a difference between the body / frame of the LS / RS models?

And, what axle is in the rear of my vehicle? And if it is some Japanese Axle, what would it be compared to in strength:
Dana 30, 44 ?

Thanks!

Re: Rs vs LS [Re: MadGary] #843464 10/24/07 10:45 PM
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89montero Offline
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only difference between RS/LS is one came with power windows/lock and cruise and different wheels.


1989 Montero 4dr V6 3.0l
Re: Rs vs LS [Re: 89montero] #843465 10/24/07 11:07 PM
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hazy_daze Offline
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My RS has power windows. The LS was available with the "Off Road" package, IIRC. It included a bouncy seat, headlight washers and an LSD rear. Correct on the cruise control and wheels.


Fasteddy's advice is occasionally sound...
Re: Rs vs LS [Re: hazy_daze] #843466 10/24/07 11:25 PM
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MadGary Offline OP
Getting the Wheeling Fever
Cool, thank you. My Montero drives very bouncy..I had Rancho rs5000 shocks and OME coils put in for about a 1 1/2 inch lift. Would the reason why it is driving so bouncy be because of the shocks? I have been reading that a lot of you guys use KYB shocks.
And, there is a lot of play / large dead zone when I turn the steering wheel. What should I look for to try and fix this.

Thank you for you help.

Re: Rs vs LS [Re: MadGary] #843467 10/24/07 11:46 PM
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sparkem Offline
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LSs also had the inclinometer thing.

KYBs are way better than the Ranchos, yes I ran both. I now have KYBs on my gen2 too. Aboout the same price back in the day. I am going to try Bilstiens (sp?) next.


I just want to tell you both good luck, and we're all counting on you.
Re: Rs vs LS [Re: MadGary] #843468 10/25/07 12:21 AM
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pcc Offline
Body Damage is Cool
My RS came with limited slip, inclinometer (useless), power windows, A/C, sun roof, am/fm casette, steel wheels with crome accents and cruise. No bouncey seat or headlight washer. I bought it off the lot so the dealer might have ordered extras.


92 Montero LS 3.0L V6 Auto, Stock, Original owner, 185,800K miles
Re: Rs vs LS [Re: pcc] #843469 10/25/07 01:42 AM
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sparkem Offline
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I was going off of the 91 RS and the 91 LS I have owned. Are we talking all models or just Gen1s?

pcc, you have a gen2 correct?


I just want to tell you both good luck, and we're all counting on you.
Re: Rs vs LS [Re: sparkem] #843470 10/25/07 05:47 AM
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fasteddy Offline
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And, there is a lot of play / large dead zone when I turn the steering wheel. What should I look for to try and fix this.


I have found the following three to be the big steering slack offenders.

First, the idler arm pivot bushings. Look on the front outer end of the passenger frame rail exactly opposite the steering gear box. Lay under the front while a helper turns the wheel back and forth over about half a turn each way. I'll bet you see the idler arm pivot shaft wobble in the housing by several mm. This puts steering slop between the two front wheels. The dside wheel stays true to the steering wheel, and the pside wheel flops slightly as it goes from slight right to slight left turn. The pside wheel can also shimmy at speed due to the slop. Pside tire may show a lot of outer edge wear. Pretty cheap fix, but the fix usually doesn't last long with larger tires and heavy banging offroad.

Second common slop source is the adjustable gear lash in the steering gear box. There's a screwdriver-slotted stud with a locknut on top of the top cover of the steering gear box. I find the easiest way to adjust it is to make sure the front wheels are dead straight ahead, loosen the locknut, and gradually tighten the adjusting stud while twiddling the steering shaft with the other hand and feeling the slop in the steering shaft diminish. Test drive and see if you got it too tight, which is evidenced by a reluctance of the steering wheel to return to center coming out of a turn. If too tight, loosen the adj. stud about 1/16-1/8 turn at a time, retesting each time for loose enough to self center.

Third source is the pitmann arm ball-stud end wear. Pitmann arm is on the shaft coming out of the bottom of the steering gear box. Two tests. Mk1 eyeball as the steering is twiddled right-left by a helper, looking for slop in the ballstud/socket fit. You'll see the arm move slightly before the stud moves. Second test is to compress the stud into the socket with a big (BIG) pair of crescent pliers, and measure end of stud to bottom of socket housing distance. Remove pliers and remeasure distance. Any difference over .5-1mm means the pitmann arm joint is worn out. Replace the pitmann arm.

Fourth, Check the center link ends and tie rod ends for the same kind of wear as the pitmann arm.

Fifth, make sure the wheel bearings have no slop. The steering move the wheel spindle, and any bearing slop feels like steering slop. Jack up the front and vigorously wiggle the tire, holding top and bottom. Should be no wiggle slop felt.


Not responsible for advice not taken...
Re: Rs vs LS [Re: MadGary] #843471 10/25/07 09:31 AM
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TOASTY Offline
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And, what axle is in the rear of my vehicle? And if it is some Japanese Axle, what would it be compared to in strength:
Dana 30, 44 ?

Thanks!


front axle = 28 spline, 29mm diameter, diff = 8" diameter (low pinion)
rear axle = 28 spline, 30.5mm diameter, diff = 9" diameter

so to answer your question your rear end is stronger than a dana 44, more like a ford 9"


1999 Montero SAS'd on Kings and stuff

1998 Montero trying to get a V8 Swapped
Re: Rs vs LS [Re: sparkem] #843472 10/25/07 11:37 AM
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pcc Offline
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pcc, you have a gen2 correct?


I think so. I asked this Gen1/Gen2 question a couple of years ago and think it is a Gen2. Until this discussion board I always used years. Could there be a Gen1 1992 and a Gen2 1992?


92 Montero LS 3.0L V6 Auto, Stock, Original owner, 185,800K miles







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