K so my 91 xcab sr5 3.0 has 205k and is pretty thrashed....not reallly worth puttin a ton of money into......

http://fortcollins.craigslist.org/car/474812763.html

whatcha guys think??
k it DOESNT have lockers...locking hubs lol
stock gears and 31s
the guy says with the gutted cat an K&N and drilled airbox it has a lil more power then most 4 cylinder yotas hes driven.......
i was gonna get a pre purchase inspection at a local mechanic and call it a steal for 2k

only question is.....in the mountains(Laramie WY ...HELL all over wy really...and nor cal) with a 4 cylinder?? I know it wont start off the line as fast as my truck but......am I gonna be doin 45 up the passes??? my truck with 4.10s and 31s can usually do 65-75 at least thru most of the passes
I know quite a few of y'all have 4 bangers so thought id see what ppl have to say

I'm headin to montana then checkin this truck out again next week (was in a hurry last night, looked at it at dusk and didnt have time to drive it) when i get back.....
Thanks alot y'all!!!

Sounds like a good deal, when was the timing chain last replaced. They should be changed idealy on a 22R every 90K.
Also IMHO i think the 22r is faster off the line than the 3.sl0w. Actually i think a 22r has more power in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. Its in 4th and 5th that the 3.0 has more grunt.
My dad has a 95 extra cab with the 3.0 and my truck is rollin 33's w/ 4.88 gears and mine will edge out his in a drag.
-also the 22R yotas with 31's (assuming it has 4.10 gears) will run third gear will run third just about any where, and in third you can take 'em up to 60-65mph pretty easy all though it will be rev'vin pretty high (about 4200rpms)
-you should be able to hold a good speed where ever you go especially if you put 4.56 gears in.
(these are just my opinions from driving both a 85 22R and a 95 3.0 for the past years all over the mountains of NorCal, others might disagree)

The X-cab on a short bed frame makes a nice platform to build from. For $2k it is a good deal, maybe offer $1800 because it doesn't have larger tires, matching paint, or a finished flatbed. You should be able to fab up a useable flatbed for a few hundred dollars, after shortening the existing base to fit the frame better.

If you do get the truck it will run better with a cat, these engines need some amount of back pressure, and have been designed to work with a cat, not to mention helping to keep the air cleaner.

As for the difference in performance, the 22re will be slower unless your 3.0 is only running on 4 cyls, or you have very low compression. I have both a 3.0 X-cab and a 22re X-cab. The both rigs have been geared for the tires they are running, the 3.0 is mod'd but weighs a good 1500lbs more than the 22re rig, yet ot will run circles around it all day. With the 3.0 loaded with gear/passengers weighing about 5300lbs I can climb the Sierra's at 70mph, however with the 22re loaded with the same gear/passengers I can barely get over 50mph on the steep grades, the same is true for others I wheel with that have the 22re and X-cabs. There is quite a difference between the two engines and transmissions. My 3.0 is fun to drive, while the 22re just gets me around from one place to another.:o

Youre kidding right? i've got 33's and stock gears and im as fast as a 22re when im pulling a trailer...

Is that trailer really a 1 ton dodge giving you a push down a hill. Also i am talking about motors that are in good condition and the 22R rigs have appropraite gearing. Maybe those 22R's you were racing were worn out dogs or were rollin big tires w/ stock gearing. I have driven both motors back and forth for the last three years and the 22R feels quicker off the line, the 3.sl0w only seems to have more grunt in 4th and 5th gear. But maybe its just because i am talking Miles Per Hour not kilometers per hour

LOL... pop up trailer, probably 1500lbs... and probably another 800lbs of luggage in teh truck... pulled like nothing... i kept up to my cousins turbodiesel ford just fine... (he was pulling a larger trailer).
But yea, i'd love to "race" any 22re... my bud has one, but it's an auto... very slow.
But yea, there is no way a 145lb-ft 22re can beat a 185lb-ft 3vze... weight diff... maybe 200 lbs... not enough to make up for the lack of power... also 100hp vs 150hp?
maybe a 2wd single cab 2wd 5 spd vs a 4wd v6 auto 4runner (im talking 1st gen 4runner, not second) yea the 22re would probably win.
But my 89 4runner v6 5spd vs a 88 pickup 22re 5 spd... i'd win...
Someone up here race me for fun, it'll all be over before we hit the speed limit anyways <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />

Perhaps it is the altitude? My 3.0 4Runner couldn't get out of its own way pulling a popup and camping gear over Eisenhower Tunnel. OK, OK, neither could my 22RE 4Runner... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> But at least the 22RE didn't get 10mpg trying.

The price seems a tad high.

By law he owes you a cat, I hate it when people seem to think they get more performance by choking the rest of us. The primary source of ozone in the front range is old vehicles without a cat, in a marginal state of tune.

Your 2nd gen truck weighs about 1000lbs less than your Dad's 3rd gen, and it has a modified 22r, so edging out your dad's truck is easy to understand. Irish_ROCKS is looking at going from a 3.0 equipped 3rd gen to a 22re equiped 3rd gen, under these circumsrances there will be a noticeable loss in performance, unless the 3.0 is basically toast. I have identical rigs one w both types of engines, and there is a definate notice in power between the two, and the 22re's engine has been rebuilt within the last 5k miles while the 3.0 has 175k w/only heads rebuilt in the last 3yrs. If Irish_ROCKS runs 5.29's with the 33's for highway travels I think he will be happy with the 22re, w/35's they don't seem to like to climb mountains very easy.

Hahah i hear ya'.. i only lost 1-2 mpg towing <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Touche, Snowtoy that is true however i still think the 22r has more pep in 1st through 3rd even when i had the stock motor in before i blew it up. and a 22RE has 112 hp while the 22R has 96hp or less i had a 22R so i was thinking the extra horespower vs. added weight of a 3rd gen would cancel out if they had appropriate gearing. Your also right that a 3.0 will take hills a bit better.