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Re: p/s pump and box
[Re: NathanC]
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11/23/07 01:07 PM
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Mitsubishi uses PS pumps that have a liner flow output, the American pumps are variable flow, more rpm more fluid How is it regulated then? I thought it was a simple vane pump. It is done in the outlet valve on the pump. On this one the engineers did their homework. The valve senses the pressure after the pump, when the steering is idle they run a set pressure from 80 to 150 psi and maintain that. Recirculating ball and rack systems will be at either extreme there. If you ever get to look at the schematic for a hydraulic fuse it may help make sense how this is done. This low pressure is what controls the on center feel of the steering. From this setting the pressure can ramp up to the peak pressure to help steer the vehicle. Most all of this is done in this valve on these steering systems. The American designed systems do much of the flow control in the steering box, this being part of the reason American PS pumps do not work on the Japanese steering units. What this means to a driver, when driving with the American style steering there is quite a difference in steering effort with the engine at idle as opposed to revving at 2000 rpm. In many of the Japanese vehicles there is little change.
Cheers, Charlie If It ain't broke, Modify it! 87 Montero turbo Converted back in Spring1989 95 Montero SR 3.8 DOHC Only one? 93 Pajero 3 door 6G75 Mivec with paddle shifted 5 speed Then a Gen2 SR with full coil independent suspension.
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Re: p/s pump and box
[Re: NathanC]
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11/23/07 01:12 PM
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Well, we here at Mickey Mouse Inc. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> figured out a few things in the last couple days! There are NO Mitsu anything in the wreckers within 200 miles! so I have picked up pieces and pumps from Nissans, Dodge colt, and Mazdas (same pumps, but all V-pulleys!)
The innards of the pumps are basically the same. The stator in the Ford pump is adujstable by resetting it on the pins inside. (havent checked a Mitsu pump yet, but I now have 3 extras!) This raises or lowers the pressure. D50 pump puts out about 600 psi. I found this out "AFTER" I cut the pulley off the Ranger pump and just welded it to the stock 2.6 pump pulley <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/scared.gif" alt="" /> I also welded the 2.6 bracket to the Ranger. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />
Heres the option list: (Hardest to easiest) -Reset Ford pump stator, but have to fab line connections. -Find pulley for 2.6 pump, and redrill Ford mounting brkt. -Find Nissan or Mazda pump, (holes line up to brkt) Still need pulley. -As Old Colt said, get a pump from a V6 (although unsure of mounting and lines) -ChrisJ has the easiest and best idea (albeit expensive) AGR builds a great pump and box setups, (availability?). -Tom Allen at PSC Motorsports (Performance Steering Components and original owner of AGR!) in Texas, sells or will build ANYTHING! Also has pulleys, brackets, lines etc.
I tend to experiment A LOT! Most things I try on a temporary basis (unless, of course, it works!) I grew up on a farm 80 miles from nowhere, so I'm used to "making do with what I have".
A day late, A dollar short, and A half a mile behind...
pass me that crescent hammer...
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Re: p/s pump and box
[Re: 89Diesel]
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11/23/07 01:16 PM
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I know the Mazda pump should be compatable. Can the outlet valve from the 2.6 pump fit any of the others? There are a few different sizes on the OD of the valve.
Cheers, Charlie If It ain't broke, Modify it! 87 Montero turbo Converted back in Spring1989 95 Montero SR 3.8 DOHC Only one? 93 Pajero 3 door 6G75 Mivec with paddle shifted 5 speed Then a Gen2 SR with full coil independent suspension.
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Re: p/s pump and box
[Re: 89Diesel]
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11/23/07 01:42 PM
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Dodge caravans, Lebarons, Eclipses, Diamantes, and the like all have the same pump with serpentine. I know, as I searched high & low for one with a V pulley for my Raider & could not find one at the time.
Ed
Yankneck = Yankee ingenuity with Redneck stupidity. "How can I break it better?" 89 Raider 3.0 w/ 31's for now
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Re: p/s pump and box
[Re: OldColt]
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11/23/07 06:29 PM
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OldColt-Yes, the outlet fits from one pump to another. I have 2 off of Dodges, 1 Nissan, 1 Mazda and all interchange. The outlet line fittings are all different, 2 banjo, and 2 different sizes of internal flares. The Ranger one doesn't interchange at all (threads and valve are too big).
The 15 Caravans I looked at all had V-pulleys. Some of the later ones had serpentines on the rest of the drives, but not on the pump. The pumps were all the integral tank types with a large V-pulley.
A day late, A dollar short, and A half a mile behind...
pass me that crescent hammer...
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Re: p/s pump and box
[Re: 89Diesel]
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11/23/07 08:09 PM
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Yeah, just wandered around the junkyard for about an hour looking for some stuff I may be able to work with, but no luck. The later model v6 stuff which may use a serpentine pulley also appears to be a different pump. So finding a v6 pump with a serpentine pulley and making a new bracket/possibly hoses or using the 2.6 pump and fabbing a new pulley and bracket look like my two options right now.....
85 4x4 Pickup, 267K, 4d55 Conversion, Sway-A-Ways, Dual Batteries
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Re: p/s pump and box
[Re: 89Diesel]
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11/23/07 11:30 PM
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If you can get a serpentine pulley from another pump and swap by pressing them might help. Be careful pressing the since the pumps have sintered parts in them and can be broken.
Cheers, Charlie If It ain't broke, Modify it! 87 Montero turbo Converted back in Spring1989 95 Montero SR 3.8 DOHC Only one? 93 Pajero 3 door 6G75 Mivec with paddle shifted 5 speed Then a Gen2 SR with full coil independent suspension.
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Re: p/s pump and box
[Re: LandRaider]
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11/26/07 06:10 PM
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The Mitsu Box gets really mad when you put a 4.3 Pump on it as well. At least it did in my case. Is this why mine steers so good but leaks fluid?
87 Raizer, 4.3V6, Mod TH700R4,231CHD, detroit rear and LSD front, bouncy seats, 2" lift and 32x15 BFG MT tires.
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Re: p/s pump and box
[Re: BobShaw]
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11/26/07 07:10 PM
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Joined: Sep 2001
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The Mitsu Box gets really mad when you put a 4.3 Pump on it as well. At least it did in my case. Is this why mine steers so good but leaks fluid? Hmm I don't know, but mine would get so hot, that it would boil the PS fluid.
87 Raider 4D56td v5MT1 31's..Basically Stock
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Re: p/s pump and box
[Re: LandRaider]
#848194
11/26/07 08:30 PM
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Joined: Jan 2001
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how did you get around the boiling before the SAS?
89 2dr 3.0 AT, manual hubs. 33x12.5 MT gen 2 coils,Cranked front tbars Dons rocker protection, Front/Rear Bumpers. ARB rear locker, 2" BL, Beefed up skid plates/trailing arms. Gen II uca, 2 Bouncy seats www.youtube.com/TagGeorge
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