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Re: Fixed Alternator belt and still won't start [Re: theduker] #851912 12/14/07 10:53 AM
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One more thing..those fusible links in front of the passenger side headlamp..look like thick wires connecting two connectors. IF they go out..I take it you will see a fried wire??

Not necessarily. They are pretty well insulated. Proper procedure it to test them for continuity with a multi-meter.

I have a hard time believing the timing belt jumped. It just can't do that. Well, it "could" but, it is not common on these engines. The tensioner is spring tensioned, but it is then tightened to the block once the belt is installed. Given the age of the vehicle, it would be more common for the outer ring on the dampener to have slipped on its rubber cushion.

To check this, pop the cover off the distributor and remove the top part of the timing cover. Turn the engine over until the rotor is pointing at #4 and the mark on the cover and the cam sprocket are lined up.

Then, the next step is up to you. We need to see where the crank pulley really is. At this point, start by looking at the timing pointer on the cover and the marks on the balancer. If they are lined, up, I would not worry too much more. If they are not, then you can do one of two things. One is to remove the crank bolt and get a mirror down there (or your head, if you can) and see where the keyway is. It should be at 12 o'clock.

Or you can tear down the rest of the timing cover (involves more disassembly, obviously) and see where the mark on the crank sprocket is relative to the mark on the front seal cover.

Truthfully, this is the only way to really check the base timing if you suspect a timing issue. Using the timing light has just too many variables on a non-running engine to be reliable. And, as I said, there is just not room in the belt to skip teeth without being more catastrophic.

Another simple test would be to bring #1 or #4 to TDC on compression. It does not matter for this test. A dowel in the spark plug hole works for this. Then see where those timing marks on the crank line up. They should be really close to 0*, give or take.

I would still get out the starting fluid and see what happens. Even with horrendous timing and fuel, something should catch fire at some point. It may not run, but it should make some kind of noise just by the principle of raw fuel and sparks. Are you smelling fuel when you are cranking? It should be pretty strong if timing is the only issue.

Good luck,
Michael

Re: Fixed Alternator belt and still won't start [Re: mlclark] #851913 12/14/07 03:46 PM
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Richard Saylor Offline
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One more thing..those fusible links in front of the passenger side headlamp..look like thick wires connecting two connectors. IF they go out..I take it you will see a fried wire??

Not necessarily. They are pretty well insulated. Proper procedure it to test them for continuity with a multi-meter.


Beat me to it ... Fusible links are just a smaller gauge wire inside a thicker than normal insulator jacket. They're designed so that the wire inside will fry, but the outer jacket will not melt and compromise more. And like Michael said, only way to make sure is to break out the meter and do a continuity test on them.

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Re: Fixed Alternator belt and still won't start [Re: mlclark] #851914 12/16/07 11:06 PM
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Well, I checked the fusible links at the front and they are still good. My next question is, is there some way to test the fuel pump? I was thinking of disconnecting the fuel lines before they go into the TB. Should gas be spraying out the fuel line or just a trickle. When I tested it before it was just a trickle. But the car was not being turned over, I believe the key was still in the ignition and I assumed the fuel pump was working. Was this a bad assumption?

Re: Fixed Alternator belt and still won't start [Re: mlclark] #851915 12/22/07 09:53 PM
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hmmmm...you boys are good. I wasn't wanting to drain 12 gallons of fuel and drop the tank, so I took it to a shop. They diagnosed and replaced fuel pump. Correct in your diagnosis.

Now that it is running, I will now attempt to play with timing to see if this corrects the misfire or rough idle.

Thanks.

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