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'04 Rodeo Suspension Questions #852241 12/11/07 03:24 AM
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I know, I know.... We've talked about lifting my wife's Rodeo and tires a few times, but I've had an interesting thought.

We know what the stock Trooper coils will give about 1"-1.5" lift. Now, I've found a pretty darn good deal on an 1.5" OME suspension kit for a 2000+ trooper.

We know the coils will be the listed height +~1". The shocks will be a bit long, But... Will the torsion bars fit?

BTW, the goal is something like 265/75-16s. It's not too extreem, but just a bit more lift for rocker protection.


"Stubig" - '72 416.141 (U1100) Unimog
"Sassy" - '05 KLR650
"Brody" - '04 Rodeo (It's my wife's, really)
"Candy" - '02 TDI New Beetle (yes, a family of 4 fits inside)
"Twinkie" - '72 Revcon 250 (converting from Olds 455 to 6.5L Diesel)
Re: '04 Rodeo Suspension Questions [Re: FEF] #852242 12/11/07 03:58 AM
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We know the coils will be the listed height +~1".


If you are talking about 912 OME Trooper coils they will give you about 1.75-2" of lift. If this is 919s, then it will be about 2-2.25". I had them all and I measured myself.

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The shocks will be a bit long,


Front shocks are the same. The rear shocks on the Rodeo are actually usually longer; but the main problem is that the upper mounts are completely different, as far as I know.

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But... Will the torsion bars fit?


No. Rodeo's torsion bars are much longer.

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BTW, the goal is something like 265/75-16s.


The suspension lift will not get you there. You will need either cut some plastic and some steel, or get a body lift.

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It's not too extreem, but just a bit more lift for rocker protection.


for the rocker protection, get the rock sliders <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


Oleg
Axiom 4WD 2004: OME shocks, 32" BFG Mudders, RockSliderz, OME929+2" spacers, Stinkyfab bent RE rear links, front ARB locker, rear No-Slip locker, DOR front axle lowering kit, custom middle section skid plate, IronMan torsion bars.
Deceased Rodeo'02 4WD.
Re: '04 Rodeo Suspension Questions [Re: holger] #852243 12/11/07 04:17 AM
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Don't let fitting the 265/75R16's scare you away. It is not hard. Mostly you just need to trim the fiberglass overfender with a file or knife and hammer back some of the metal on the inside rear of the front wheel wells. You will not see any of this from the exterior. It doesn't affect appearance and it's not hard to do. The suspension lift is enough, but you will need some trimming and hammering as mentioned earlier.

Last edited by TrailMystic; 12/11/07 04:18 AM.

'01 Rodeo Sport, 5 Speed Softie, Indy 4X rocker bars, OME 912's, Rancho 9000X's, Superwinch hubs, custom tube bumper with Warn 9000i , Flowmaster 50, TeraLow t-case gears, ARB front & rear lockers, TrXus MT's, Sway bar disconnects
Re: '04 Rodeo Suspension Questions [Re: TrailMystic] #852244 12/12/07 01:23 AM
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Excelent!!

If I can get the shoes on, and drive home (before my wife hears it rub), I'm all over it.

As for the lift, I guess I'll just look for (or buy) some stock trooper coils. But at $60 for coils, maybe I'll just get OME 2" coils and turn up the bars. That's about as easy as it gets, and they'll settle over time.

Now all I have to do is figure out why Isuzu mandates Isuzu oil in the AT. I'm at a loss.

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Don't let fitting the 265/75R16's scare you away. It is not hard. Mostly you just need to trim the fiberglass overfender with a file or knife and hammer back some of the metal on the inside rear of the front wheel wells. You will not see any of this from the exterior. It doesn't affect appearance and it's not hard to do. The suspension lift is enough, but you will need some trimming and hammering as mentioned earlier.


"Stubig" - '72 416.141 (U1100) Unimog
"Sassy" - '05 KLR650
"Brody" - '04 Rodeo (It's my wife's, really)
"Candy" - '02 TDI New Beetle (yes, a family of 4 fits inside)
"Twinkie" - '72 Revcon 250 (converting from Olds 455 to 6.5L Diesel)
Re: '04 Rodeo Suspension Questions [Re: FEF] #852245 12/12/07 02:15 AM
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As for the lift, I guess I'll just look for (or buy) some stock trooper coils.


I doubt that the stock trooper coils will give you more than 1". May be even less. Get OME 919s - those are the best choice.

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Now all I have to do is figure out why Isuzu mandates Isuzu oil in the AT. I'm at a loss.


what kind of engine do you have - 3.2 or 3.5 ? 2004 Rodeos were coming with two different engines. If you have 3.2 engine, then you probably have the usual Isuzu/GM auto transmission and DextronIII is fine for it. If you have 3.5DI engine, it comes with Aisin auto transmission, with modifications which are calling for a special "friction modifier additive". I do not know what can be a replacement for this "modifier", probably there is a similar additive in Toyota and Jeep (they are using about the same Aisin transmission). The good part is that this fluid must be changed only after 120,000 miles (or after 60,000 under "severe road conditions").


Oleg
Axiom 4WD 2004: OME shocks, 32" BFG Mudders, RockSliderz, OME929+2" spacers, Stinkyfab bent RE rear links, front ARB locker, rear No-Slip locker, DOR front axle lowering kit, custom middle section skid plate, IronMan torsion bars.
Deceased Rodeo'02 4WD.
Re: '04 Rodeo Suspension Questions [Re: holger] #852246 12/12/07 02:43 AM
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912's was more than enough lift for the Rodeo Sport/Amigo which is a little lighter than the Rodeo. I still had a great ride - not rough at all.


'01 Rodeo Sport, 5 Speed Softie, Indy 4X rocker bars, OME 912's, Rancho 9000X's, Superwinch hubs, custom tube bumper with Warn 9000i , Flowmaster 50, TeraLow t-case gears, ARB front & rear lockers, TrXus MT's, Sway bar disconnects
Re: '04 Rodeo Suspension Questions [Re: TrailMystic] #852247 12/12/07 04:36 AM
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don;t forget (correct me if i am wrong) buti thought you can't run manual hubs on an '04 so your cv's will go bye-bye


'99 Rodeo V6 4x4 w/ 8" lift, 33" TrXus MT
4.77, Aussie Locked rear, 8500lb winch, custom rack, custom winch bumper, ProComp lights, 230,000km
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Re: '04 Rodeo Suspension Questions [Re: rodeoredd] #852248 12/12/07 06:35 AM
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don;t forget (correct me if i am wrong) buti thought you can't run manual hubs on an '04 so your cv's will go bye-bye


This is not as bad as you are saying. When I had a Rodeo '02, I was running it with the original hubs for more than 60K miles without issues. I had 3.5" front lift.


Oleg
Axiom 4WD 2004: OME shocks, 32" BFG Mudders, RockSliderz, OME929+2" spacers, Stinkyfab bent RE rear links, front ARB locker, rear No-Slip locker, DOR front axle lowering kit, custom middle section skid plate, IronMan torsion bars.
Deceased Rodeo'02 4WD.
Re: '04 Rodeo Suspension Questions [Re: holger] #852249 12/12/07 07:02 PM
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This rig, as it's my wife's (no, really), won't see more then a 2" lift. I've been meaning to ask, why are manual hubs recommended for taller lifts? what's the difference? ...Not that it matters, because if I get that far I'm going SAS in front. JEEZZZZzzzzzz!!! Don't tell my wife I have plans for a Cummins 4bt in there too. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/ignore.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/ignore.gif" alt="" />

Yup, I've got the 3.5L DI. I'm told it's a Toyota variant. Friction modifiers... That's fine, but I need to top it off, and I don't want to use Isuzu, I'm the only stuff in the world, ATF. I guess I'm just the type that can't leave it alone, but there's got to be another product that will do in that tranny.

265/75-16s should be on later this week. I'll let you all know how it goes.

BTW, They've had to replace my Cat. It was gummed up with carbon. Heh. I could have guessed that, with this vehicle's history of carbon issues.


"Stubig" - '72 416.141 (U1100) Unimog
"Sassy" - '05 KLR650
"Brody" - '04 Rodeo (It's my wife's, really)
"Candy" - '02 TDI New Beetle (yes, a family of 4 fits inside)
"Twinkie" - '72 Revcon 250 (converting from Olds 455 to 6.5L Diesel)
Re: '04 Rodeo Suspension Questions [Re: FEF] #852250 12/12/07 08:39 PM
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holger Offline
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This rig, as it's my wife's (no, really), won't see more then a 2" lift. I've been meaning to ask, why are manual hubs recommended for taller lifts?


The main advantage of the manual hubs is that they are looking totally cool. Besides that, with the manual hubs, you can disengage them when on the paved road, and the CVs will not be turning. It will prolong their life and save you a little fuel. But as I sad it before, this is not a big deal, I was running stocks hubs with 3.5" lift without problems. On my new Axiom, I lowered the front diff to get the CVs angle smaller, but the angle is still steep. I am running the stock hubs and they are OK.

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Yup, I've got the 3.5L DI. I'm told it's a Toyota variant. Friction modifiers... That's fine, but I need to top it off, and I don't want to use Isuzu, I'm the only stuff in the world, ATF. I guess I'm just the type that can't leave it alone, but there's got to be another product that will do in that tranny.


I do not know... I have only 16K on my tranny and I've not needed to top it off yet. I guess it is safe to top it off with some good synthetic Dexron III ATF, but I am not sure. Why not try to order it through the Isuzu channels ?

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BTW, They've had to replace my Cat. It was gummed up with carbon. Heh. I could have guessed that, with this vehicle's history of carbon issues.


I am using the gas system cleaners often (like every couple thousands miles). So far, everything has been clean.


Oleg
Axiom 4WD 2004: OME shocks, 32" BFG Mudders, RockSliderz, OME929+2" spacers, Stinkyfab bent RE rear links, front ARB locker, rear No-Slip locker, DOR front axle lowering kit, custom middle section skid plate, IronMan torsion bars.
Deceased Rodeo'02 4WD.
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