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gen 1 3.0 engine idle problem
#854801
12/24/07 08:04 PM
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Joined: Aug 2007
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Getting the Wheeling Fever
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When my engine is cold it immediatly revs to approx 2000rpms on startup it then gradualy reduces to approx 1000 when hot. I'm pretty sure it didn't do this before I replaced the iac. The new iac acts completely normal and lowers the rpm in steps but doesnt't bring it completely down. I have been getting a code for bad intake air temp but it tests ok. Any thoughts??? Thanks and Merry Christmas Gordon
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Re: gen 1 3.0 engine idle problem
[Re: gsitts]
#854802
12/24/07 09:35 PM
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Joined: Feb 2004
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From "tests ok" I assume you measured the resistance of the MAF. Unfortunately, that test doesn't prove the entire sensor function - at least I don't think it does. If you can get your hands on a "known good" MAF sensor, replace yours for a trial and see if it works better. Absent that, a dealer analyser might be able to read the air temperature for comparison to ambient, but you need to test it with a cold>warm engine to duplicate your conditions.
Frank
'89 [color:"white"]G-Raider[color:"white"] [color:"black"]Supercharged 3.0L, MegaSquirt 2, lockup A/T, 2.5" exhaust, 172k, Cibie H4s/Oscar SCs, Hella Micro DE fogs, Cobra CB, Superwinch hubs, LSD rear/Aussie Locker front, Bilsteins, Lifeline AGM, Rust-Oleum
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Re: gen 1 3.0 engine idle problem
[Re: FrankR]
#854803
12/24/07 11:39 PM
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Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 950
Rock Warrior
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continuity of the wire, dirty sensor
Look at the highest point of throttle body. There is an adjust screw. (It might be covered with a cap.)
remove the cap and turn the idle adjust screw clockwize. count your turning degrees because you might want to put it back where it was.
and you should first ground the idle/timing checker and have a warm engine
then when you get it to 700?- check the timing
1989 5 door montero 3.0 auto stock original Japanese about 200k miles
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Re: gen 1 3.0 engine idle problem
[Re: generation_one]
#854804
12/24/07 11:53 PM
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Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 950
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continuity of the wire, dirty sensor
Look at the highest point of throttle body. There is an adjust screw. (It might be covered with a cap.)
remove the cap and turn the idle adjust screw clockwize. count your turning degrees because you might want to put it back where it was.
and you should first ground the idle/timing checker and have a warm engine
then when you get it to 700?- check the timing the screw you are looking for is down inside a hole about 2 inches. a disconected air sensor harness will throw that code
1989 5 door montero 3.0 auto stock original Japanese about 200k miles
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Re: gen 1 3.0 engine idle problem
[Re: generation_one]
#854805
12/25/07 01:56 AM
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Joined: Feb 2004
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Don't mess with the idle screw. Find the problem that's causing the idle to go out of adjustment..... which is not the idle screw.
Frank
'89 [color:"white"]G-Raider[color:"white"] [color:"black"]Supercharged 3.0L, MegaSquirt 2, lockup A/T, 2.5" exhaust, 172k, Cibie H4s/Oscar SCs, Hella Micro DE fogs, Cobra CB, Superwinch hubs, LSD rear/Aussie Locker front, Bilsteins, Lifeline AGM, Rust-Oleum
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Re: gen 1 3.0 engine idle problem
[Re: FrankR]
#854806
12/25/07 12:34 PM
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Joined: Mar 2007
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Don't mess with the idle screw. Find the problem that's causing the idle to go out of adjustment..... which is not the idle screw.
Frank If we dont know the history of the vehicle (and we dont) it certainly could be the only problem. It cost nothing to check. When my engine is cold it immediatly revs to approx 2000rpms on startup it then gradualy reduces to approx 1000 when hot. I'm pretty sure it didn't do this before I replaced the iac. The new iac acts completely normal and lowers the rpm in steps but doesnt't bring it completely down. I have been getting a code for bad intake air temp but it tests ok. Any thoughts???
-remove the cap and turn the idle adjust screw clockwize. count your turning degrees because you might want to put it back where it was. -the screw you are looking for is down inside a hole about 2 inches. -best to read the book while doing this
1989 5 door montero 3.0 auto stock original Japanese about 200k miles
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Re: gen 1 3.0 engine idle problem
[Re: gsitts]
#854807
12/25/07 12:53 PM
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Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 950
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I'm pretty sure it didn't do this before I replaced the iac. Gordon might just need to do the idle relearn thing. -it should be in the book somewhere.It is somthing like this - Step 1 clear the codes ( batttery cables off a few minutes) - Step 2 start and let warm up. -Step 3 Turn off and start again. Repeat step 3 about 5-7 times with the warm engine. ...
Last edited by generation_one; 12/25/07 12:57 PM.
1989 5 door montero 3.0 auto stock original Japanese about 200k miles
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Re: gen 1 3.0 engine idle problem
[Re: FrankR]
#854808
12/25/07 01:00 PM
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Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 950
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Don't mess with the idle screw. Find the problem that's causing the idle to go out of adjustment..... which is not the idle screw.
Frank Baah humug !! [i][/i]
1989 5 door montero 3.0 auto stock original Japanese about 200k miles
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Re: gen 1 3.0 engine idle problem
[Re: generation_one]
#854809
12/25/07 02:36 PM
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Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 950
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I dont remember if clockise or counter-clock...
anyway, the point is that the idle may have been adjusted previously and now the iac cant do the thang it's supposed to, which is more than really I comprehend well enough to explain,ie: will it cause the computer to give the "replace MAF" code. Seems logical that it might.
1989 5 door montero 3.0 auto stock original Japanese about 200k miles
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Re: gen 1 3.0 engine idle problem
[Re: generation_one]
#854810
12/25/07 03:05 PM
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Joined: Feb 2004
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From the FSM: BASIC IDLE SPEED ADJUSTMENT ~14Fi-w Caution There should usually be no need to adjust the basic idle speed because it has been precisely adjusted by the manufacturer. Preconditions for inspection l Engine coolant temperature: 85-95?C (185-205?F) l Lights and accessories: OFF l Transmission: neutral (N or P for vehicles with automatic transmission) l Steering wheel: neutral position (1) Connect a tachometer if the multi-use tester is not used. (2) Disconnect the female connector for waterproof from the connector for ignition timing adjustment. (3) Using a lead wire with alligator clips, ground the terminal for adjustment of the ignition timing.(4) Using a lead wire with alligator clips, ground the No. 10 terminal of the self-diagnosis connector or connect the multi-use tester to the self-diagnosis connector. NOTE By connecting the multi-use tester, ground the No.10 terminal of the self-diagnosis connector. (5) Start the engine and run at idle. (6) Check to be sure that the engine idlig speed is the basic idle speed. Basic idle speed: 700~?50 rpm If there is a deviation of the engine speed from the basic idle speed, first determine whether or not the conditions described below exist,and then use the speed adjustment screw to adjust to the basic idle speed. (a) The engine speed may be 20-100 rpm low for a new vehicle jdriven about 500 km (300 miles) or less], but adjustment is not necessary. (b) If engine stalling occurs or the engine speed is low even though the vehicle has been driven about 500 km (300 miles) or more, it is probable that these are deposits adhered to the throttle valve, SO it should be cleaned. (Refer to P.14-65.) (c) If the engine speed is higher than the standard value even though the speed adjusting screw is fully close, check for any indication that the (fixed SAS position has changed; if there is such an indication, adjust the fixed SAS). If there is no evidence of a change of position, it is probable that there is leakage resulting from deterioration of the fast-idle air valve so replace the throttle body. NOTE If the multi-use tester is used, select item No.22 and read out the engine rpm. (7) Turn OFF the ignition switch and stop the engine. (8) Disconnect the lead wire for grounding from the connector for self diagnosis. ~ Or disconnect the multi-use tester. (9) Disconnect the lead wire for grounding from the connectfor the ignition timing, and then connector the waterproofing connector. (1O)Disconnect the tachometer. (11)Start the engine and let it idle for about five minutes; Æ check to be sure that the idling condition is normal. Frank
'89 [color:"white"]G-Raider[color:"white"] [color:"black"]Supercharged 3.0L, MegaSquirt 2, lockup A/T, 2.5" exhaust, 172k, Cibie H4s/Oscar SCs, Hella Micro DE fogs, Cobra CB, Superwinch hubs, LSD rear/Aussie Locker front, Bilsteins, Lifeline AGM, Rust-Oleum
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