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Planning First Off-Road in New Jeep (And First Trip in Some Years) #855769 12/29/07 01:18 AM
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Wrangirl Offline OP
Getting the Wheeling Fever
I bought a 2006 TJ Wrangler Sport in October. I am planning my first off-road in one week and I just don't want to hurt my Jeep. I will be going to a state park in Maryland that has off-roading with a permit.

I have some off-road experience but that was some time ago and nothing like yours, I'm sure. For instance, a '64 Volkswagon Beetle with the body removed (a homemade baja bug), mostly on fire roads in the woods, and some sand hills, courtesy of a local paint company. A few in a really old Jeep ('60's era Army) on old tank trails, but nothing too crazy because we were not allowed to do anything crazy.

So I could really use some advice. What to do, what not to do, take, whatever. And equipment (I have tow hooks and tow straps but that's it!) - what is essential? All advice is welcome except for "Stay home." Thanks.

Last edited by Wrangirl; 12/29/07 01:23 AM.

If things seem under control, you're just not going fast enough. (Mario A.)
Re: Planning First Off-Road in New Jeep (And First Trip in Some Years) [Re: Wrangirl] #855770 12/29/07 02:07 AM
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BigJim Offline
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First advice...take at least ONE other Jeep with you.. The buddy system is the first rule.
Second advice... wear your seatbelt..
Third advice... tie everything down! So it won't be hitting you in the head when you roll over!
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Re: Planning First Off-Road in New Jeep (And First Trip in Some Years) [Re: Wrangirl] #855771 12/29/07 02:39 AM
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Leave a trip plan with someone, so in case you're overdue, someone will know where to start looking for you.

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Re: Planning First Off-Road in New Jeep (And First Trip in Some Years) [Re: kewlynx] #855772 12/29/07 02:56 AM
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Wrangirl Offline OP
Getting the Wheeling Fever
Great advice, sensible. So if I have a buddy Jeep, I don't need a winch? But if I have a buddy IN the Jeep, let others know where we are. I assume have a will. Use seat belts and tie down equipment. But no one item you can't do without?


If things seem under control, you're just not going fast enough. (Mario A.)
Re: Planning First Off-Road in New Jeep (And First Trip in Some Years) [Re: Wrangirl] #855773 12/29/07 03:07 AM
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Wrangirl Offline OP
Getting the Wheeling Fever
I'm asking because if I took along all of the recommended gear I see on websites, I'd have to tow a trailer to carry it all. One list of "required" items was 35 items long and the "recommended" list was twice that. Maybe just a first aid kit and a cell phone.


If things seem under control, you're just not going fast enough. (Mario A.)
Re: Planning First Off-Road in New Jeep (And First Trip in Some Years) [Re: Wrangirl] #855774 12/29/07 04:28 AM
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Fred Blackstone Offline
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I suppose a state park Jeep trail isn't that difficult; but, one never knows! It's so easy to find yourself between a rock-and-a-hard-place when exploring new trails in a Jeep Wrangler TJ ... that Jeep can just about go anywhere! Getting the Jeep out of a hard place is the issue.
Personally, I don't like to even venture out these days without my 94 YJ to keep me out of possible trouble. This rig has good ground clearance, and exceptional approach, breakover, and departure angles, as well as a winch, front and rear lockers, on-board-air compressor, and in the boonie box are miscellaneous spare parts and almost every damn tool needed to jerry-rig an ephemeral mending!
I find that some four wheelers new to the sport are reluctant to air-down their Jeep's tires. I recommend airing down your tires when going offroad in most cases, and getting, at least, a small portable 12-volt air compressor to refill the tires after the trail ride and/or going back on dry paved highways to avoid overheating/ruining your tires. Airing down the tires provides greater traction, and, most importantly, a more comfortable offroad ride (takes the jarring ride out of Jeeps). In some situations, airing down your tires can provide enough traction to get over rocks or other trail obstacles that the rig couldn't get over with the Jeep's tires aired-up. I usually air down to between 10-14 pounds for rocky trails without beadlocks: with beadlocks, you can run the tire pressure even lower for extreme situations, such as, sand dunes or washbaord dirt roads.
Cold weather four wheeling and the possibility of long time exposure to freezing temperatures, brings up a long list of cold weather survial items to include in the boonie box.
One important thing to do before ever going out four wheeling is to take the time to get under the rig and locate, (no, memorize the location of) the front and rear differentials ... the places under the jeep with the least amount of ground clearance. Knowing the diff locations will allow you to properly approach (select a route over or through) a rock garden (or. difficult rock obstacle), for example.
Tire placement on a rocky trail is another issue. The concept is that the tires are driven on top of the rocks to create more ground clearance to keep the differentials from getting hung up on the rocks and high centering the Jeep. It is important to know where each tire is placed on the rock obstacles relative to your view from the driver's seat behind the stering wheel. I hope this makes sense. If you're not sure of your tires locations on the rock obstacle, have the passenger get out of the rig and spot you over the obstacle to avoid possible body damage, etc.
Have fun, but always "go prepared -BSA"


94 YJ, SOA, 2-1/2 Alcans, ARB-front, Detroit-Rear, 4.56:1 gears, Oasis Trailhead compressor, 4:1 Terra Lo, 37x12.50x15 SSR's, 8000 lb Ramsey, & etc.
Re: Planning First Off-Road in New Jeep (And First Trip in Some Years) [Re: Wrangirl] #855775 12/29/07 07:19 AM
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BobRowe Offline
Body Damage is Cool
You really don't need a buddy IN your Jeep, unless its a really experienced off-roader who can suggest lines of approach to you on difficult terrain. What you REALLY need is another 4x4 vehicle going with you, so you can pull each other out if you get stuck. Tow hooks on each end, tow strap (with nylon loops on the ends, not metal hooks), and air down the tires. You'll need to air them up when getting back on the pavement. Air them down to 10-15 psi for off road. If all you have is one of those cheap cigarette-lighter-plug air compressors, it will take a while to air the tires back up to recommended pressure. So, if there's a gas station not too far from the trail head, you can air them up to about 20 psi, and then drive SLOWLY (under 40 mph) to the gas station to fill them up to the recommended street pressure.

Oh yeah, in addition to leaving your travel plans with a friend or relative, take a map. In fact, it wouldn't hurt to get two maps. Take one with you, and then mark your travel route on the other map and give it to the friend or relative.

If you're going in snow country, take really warm clothes and boots, even if you don't plan to wear then while driving. You'll really need them if you get out of the vehicle for very long trying to get unstuck or walking your way out.

If you're on a relatively mild state park trail, that's a good place to learn about driving and about the quirks of your vehicle. As you progress in experience, you can try more difficult trails -- do this gradually. At some point, your ability will exceed that of the vehicle, and that's when you'll start considering emptying your bank account for modifications! (g)

The most important thing is: HAVE FUN and TAKE PICTURES!


1977 CJ-7, fiberglass body, AMC 360 w/ headers, DUI ignition, Edelbrock intake and Holley 4150 carb, TF999, Dana 300, 4.56 gears lockers, York air comp, 4" susp lift, 2" body lift, BFG 35" M-T tires, Megashifter, AGR pump & box, REP8000 winch.
Re: Planning First Off-Road in New Jeep (And First Trip in Some Years) [Re: BobRowe] #855776 12/29/07 03:12 PM
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Wrangirl Offline OP
Getting the Wheeling Fever
Thank you so much for this advice. I will buy the air compressor. I do want a winch but they are pretty expensive (Warn seems good) so I don't know if I can get one right away. (I can tell already I will be, no am, carried away with buying things for this vehicle.) The trail is probably not too extreme but I haven't seen it yet. I don't know anyone here with a Jeep. My husband will be with me to help with negotiating, he has some experience. You both made me realize that I need to get to know the Jeep much better before going out. I bought it used (with 10,000 miles) and so I don't have info exactly specific to it but I have the original manual. It is 6 cyl, 6 speed, the manual says I have a Trac-Lok rear axle. It did not come with Axle Lock (Tru-Lok). It may have Command-Trac or Roc-Trac for the 4-wd operation, but how do I tell? (I have 2H, 4H, N, 4L.) I don't think it was modified by the previous owner and our mechanic friend said it was really clean, no repairs or spray paint, probably never hit the trails ever. I will do my best to locate the differentials. I am really fascinated with the whole front-locker thing, still trying to figure it out (and I printed out the posts on the front locker operation and studying them!).


If things seem under control, you're just not going fast enough. (Mario A.)
Re: Planning First Off-Road in New Jeep (And First Trip in Some Years) [Re: Wrangirl] #855777 12/29/07 05:26 PM
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BobRowe Offline
Body Damage is Cool
From your description, it sounds like you have regular part-time four weheel drive, as well as a limited slip differential in the rear. The former means that you should not be in either high or low 4WD on the pavement, cause your tires need to slip a little in 4WD. The latter means that you'll do a little better offroad than you would if you had an open rear differential.

Even if your husband is with you, I still would not advise going off-road in a single vehicle, unless it's an emergency. I've been driving 4WD vehicles offroad over 50 years (since 1954), and in all types of terrain, and I won't go out alone. You can sometimes get yourself so stuck (which is part of the fun of four wheeling) that you just can't get yourself out, but all it takes is a little tug from another vehicle to get you going. If that other vehicle isn't there, it means that you have to walk out (a trek in itself sometimes), hope that nobody messes with your vehicle, and try to get someone else to bring their vehicle out to help you. If that someone else is a professional, it will cost you hundreds of dollars.

If you don't know anyone in the area that goes off-road, that means that it's time for you to start looking into joining a club.

Start off by contacting United Four Wheel Drive Associations. They will tell you how to contact the state organization in your state. Then contact them, and they will give you the names and contact information of the individual clubs in your geographic area. There is usually a lot of them, and you can contact and visit them to see which one fits you best. Some have mainly old folks, some young folks, some a mixture, some a bunch of daredevils, and some are family-oriented clubs. But get involved with one. Most clubs are more than happy to have you ride with them a few times before you commit to joining. In fact, soime clubs require that.

Good luck, be safe, and have fun off road!


1977 CJ-7, fiberglass body, AMC 360 w/ headers, DUI ignition, Edelbrock intake and Holley 4150 carb, TF999, Dana 300, 4.56 gears lockers, York air comp, 4" susp lift, 2" body lift, BFG 35" M-T tires, Megashifter, AGR pump & box, REP8000 winch.
Re: Planning First Off-Road in New Jeep (And First Trip in Some Years) [Re: Wrangirl] #855778 12/29/07 08:21 PM
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Fred Blackstone Offline
Body Damage is Cool
I agree with what Bob said above. Not only is it much smarter to go with another party, it's much more fun. It's not necessary to go only with other Jeeps, but doing so will help you learn your about your vehicle much easier. Personally, I prefer to go only with Jeep Wrangler only groups simply because they are typically more "trail lightly" and trail savvy, IMHO. Obviously, there are many other vehicle groups that are environmentally conscientious and great four wheelers, and even some Jeep groups that are prone to illegal and/or destructive trail activities, too. What's more, it's damn hard and some times dangerous to push, pull or winch heavy ill-equiped vehicles out of a stuck situation! It is so easy (no, tempting) to "have a shot" at a trail obstacle and get into a stuck, potentially vehicle damaging, or dangerous situation, when four wheeling.
I have to admit that I commonly break the fundamental rule of four wheeling with others. It's getting to be my normal habit. Stupid? Most likely. It's just more convenient for me. And, yes! I've got in my share of tight situations because of it, too. But, in hindsight, it has all been fun! Thankfully, all the Jeep modifications have paid off in those predicaments. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


94 YJ, SOA, 2-1/2 Alcans, ARB-front, Detroit-Rear, 4.56:1 gears, Oasis Trailhead compressor, 4:1 Terra Lo, 37x12.50x15 SSR's, 8000 lb Ramsey, & etc.
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