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Re: Oil Burning - Normal or Not? [Re: toddstidham1] #856049 12/31/07 04:08 PM
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Oil change interval and type is very vehicle dependent.

On my Passat never go past 5000 miles with synthetic unless you want a new motor. All oils show viscosity breakdown even after the first 1000 miles itt a matter of how tolerant your motor is to thinner oil and how much it thins.

Unless its my Passat then its thicker because the oil tends to sludge up. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/zombie.gif" alt="" /> There are a number of other modern vehicles that have sludging problems from manufactures trying to push oil change intervals too far.

I change my Passats synthetic oil every 4000 miles... The cost of the oil is a bargain compared to fixing the motor.

Synthetics have a more consistent mix of molecules. Since they donÆt have short ones that cause a low flash point the amount that boils off during running is lower and the flash point is higher.

Those same short molecules tend to swell seals so they work better. Early synthetics did not swell seals so the motors tended to develop leaks. Newer synthetics have additives to prevent this problem.

Many newer oils have less high-pressure additives to reduce contamination of the catalytic converter. Amsoil took the opposite track and added a huge amount of high-pressure additive to their oils. ThatÆs why they do so well on the four ball wear test but also why many of their oils are not API certified.

Is more better? Depends.... Too much leaves deposits on your pistons and kills your converter. I'm not comfortable with the new oils that have almost ep additives in my old 2.6 engine. So far its been ok...

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Zinc is contained as part of the standard additive package in virtually every major brand of engine oil sold today, varying from a low volume of 0.10 per cent in brands such as Valvoline All Climate and Chevron l5W-50, to a high volume of 0.20 percent in brands such as Valvoline Race and Pennzoil GT Performance.

Organic zinc compounds are used as extreme pressure, anti-wear additives, and are therefore found in larger amounts in oils specifically blended for high-revving, turbocharged or racing applications. The zinc in your oil comes into play only when there is actual metal-to-metal
con tact within your engine, which should never occur under normal operating conditions. However, if you race your bike, or occasionally play
tag with the redline on the tach, the zinc is your last line of defense. Under extreme conditions, the zinc compounds react with the metal to
prevent scuffing, particularly between cylinder bores and piston rings.

However - and this is the important part to remember - available research shows that more zinc does not give you more protection, it merely prolongs the protection if the rate of metal-to-metal contact is abnormally high or extended. So unless you plan on spending a couple of hours dragging your knee at Laguna Seca, adding extra zinc compounds to your oil is usually a waste. Also, keep in mind that high zinc content can lead to deposit formation on your valves, and spark plug fouling.


Oil link...

I have found that bikes need EP additives esp if the gear box uses motor oil to lubricate it. Motul worked very well in my Kawaski... Regular synthetic Mobil 1 did not.

However Mobil 1 works great in my Raider and Passat.

Kevin


87 Turbo Intercooled Raider, roller cam, torsen rear diff, LSD front diff, lockup auto with modified converter, V6 brakes, low transfer case gears...
Re: Oil Burning - Normal or Not? [Re: BobShaw] #856050 01/03/08 03:51 PM
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Bob, the M1 0w-40 has a virgin flashpoint of about 455F. I can't imagine GTX (dino) getting much higher, probably lower, but I'm still waiting for an answer from Castrol.

A look at my last oil analysis from Blackstone with about 5k miles on the M1-0w-40 showed my flashpoint was 380F and the "should be" value from Blackstaone given as >375F. Fuel dilution for that analysis was back to my <.05% normal reading. A look at a couple of past flashpoints when I was getting higher than normal fuel dilution gave me a 340F with a 1.8% fuel dilution when the given flashpoint minimum was >375F and a 355F at a given minimum of >365 when I was getting 0.5% dilution. Both of those oils were M1 but different grades. I don't have the oil report yet on this oil change and consumption rate. This seems to be the first time I bothered to monitor consumption.

Here is the reply from Blackstone about their stated values on flashpoint:

"The flashpoint of used oil differs greatly from that of the virgin product, and it virtually never reads close to the virgin level, especially if an oil is being used in a
gasoline engine. It doesn't drop as much with diesel engines, though it still drops. Combustion blow-by contamination will lower the flashpoint almost as soon as the oil is put into use and we have found it tends to stabilize in most oils around 370 to 390 degrees. If it gets lower than that, it can show a significant amount of fuel is getting into the oil due to a fuel system problem. Not all oils are the same and we have different low
flashpoint limits for different oils. The flashpoint doesn't typically change much if an oil is run longer than average, unless a fuel system problem is developing."

I don't think fuel dilution/flashpoint is the problem and just suspect for now it's the nature of this engine/oil/miles. That's why I thought to get other Mitsu owners input on their oil consumption. But if few are doing extended drains I don't think it will show up as anything measurable.

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Re: Oil Burning - Normal or Not? [Re: pcc] #856051 01/04/08 05:09 PM
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Just so you know...That web link you posted tries to run a script / virus. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/zombie.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Oil Burning - Normal or Not? [Re: Kevin C] #856052 01/07/08 01:07 PM
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Sorry bout that. I've removed the link and edited the post.


92 Montero LS 3.0L V6 Auto, Stock, Original owner, 185,800K miles
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