Well as some of you may have noticed i was having a problem with the kybs i put on john h's montero and was pretty much craped on for going with longer than stock shocks. NOW i knew for a fact that others including my self run longer than stock shocks, i have for many years so i pulled off one of my shocks this morning after work to get a measurement so i could get the right shock lengths well now what do you know 4 INCHES LONGER THAN STOCK!!! I've been a member of this board for awhile now and lately we have really been taking a step back. If you want travel you've got to get longer shocks, lets see your stock shocks do this.