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winter start up for Frankenstine ZooZu turbo-Diesel #864713 01/28/08 11:04 PM
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Hooplehead Offline OP
Need a Spot
*Just bought a '42 GPW Jeep with 4 cyl Isuzu Turbo Diesel.

It's been parked 2 years.. and it's cold in Oregon.

Start-up "Plan"
---------------

Check oil.. check coolant-

Fresh new fuel lines...
Fresh Diesel from new outboard tank..
Charged up battery-

The Old Jeep has a tow bar.. *I'm thinking of
getting out in the street and SLOWLY let out clutch
while being dragged... I'm trying to turn the engine
over and get oil pressure up..

If it seemes loose.. (*I hope!) and is able to
turn in 3rd gear ect. .....then add power to ignition.


Thoughts? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />
Questions?
criticisums?

Doc~

Re: winter start up for Frankenstine ZooZu turbo-Diesel [Re: Hooplehead] #864714 01/29/08 12:00 AM
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overland47 Offline
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Sounds good. Rather than towing, I'd unhook the start wire from the injection pump and crank it with the battery until the gauge shows oil pressure. It won't take long. Thats just me though, I like to get stuff running before getting it out on the road.

I wouldn't even worry about priming the oil pressure though. Two years isn't very long. The last diesel I brought back to life had been sitting 15 years, and by time I cranked it long enought to bleed the fuel system and work the grumpy-ness out of it, it had pumped plenty of oil around.

What engine does it have. I'd love to see some pics. My handle stands for my 47 Willys wagon I have awaiting restoration. It's mint, but it's just a body and frame. I grew up riding around in my Dad's 49 Willys pickup he had put a 283 Chev in.

Good Luck <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Re: winter start up for Frankenstine ZooZu turbo-Diesel [Re: overland47] #864715 01/29/08 01:54 AM
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Hooplehead Offline OP
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[quote]Sounds good. Rather than towing, I'd unhook the start wire from the injection pump and crank it with the battery until the gauge shows oil pressure.

Battery #1 was charged.. loaded and just clicked "hard"..
I backed off because shortly the wire would burn...

*I think it's freezing cold and the rig has just sat..
on a gas engine *I'd put some Marvel oil down the plug
holes.. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />

Re: winter start up for Frankenstine ZooZu turbo-Diesel [Re: Hooplehead] #864716 01/29/08 02:31 AM
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overland47 Offline
Getting the Wheeling Fever
Oh ok, somethings sticky then. Could be bad starter/solinoid. Sounds like some testing is needed there. Also, see if you can turn the engine by hand, that would eliminate the worst case.

If the starters a no go, your plan will work fine. Just make sure to put all your tools in the tow vehicle. I've ended up a 1/2 from my tools trying to pull start something <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />

Re: winter start up for Frankenstine ZooZu turbo-Diesel [Re: overland47] #864717 01/29/08 10:02 PM
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rvdjr Offline
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try to turn the motor over by hand. if the engine is seized up it would be bad to pull start it. if you find the engine is seized, fill the cylinders with vinegar. this will dissolve rust. let it soak over night and try to turn it by hand again. once it is free, drain the oil and leave the plug out for a while to let as much of the vinegar drain as possible. it takes a little bit for the vinegar to get past the piston rings. then refill the oil and try to start it.

i have restored several antique tractors that had been sitting in fence rows for thirty years this way.

Re: winter start up for Frankenstine ZooZu turbo-Diesel [Re: rvdjr] #864718 01/30/08 11:59 PM
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Hooplehead Offline OP
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Ok.. can I get access to a cyl by backing out a glow plug
or should I pull a injector?

*I'm a total diesel newby bonehead.. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

Also, since I've confessed ignorance..
what oil do I buy for the C223T engine?

Thanks <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />
Doc~

Re: winter start up for Frankenstine ZooZu turbo-Diesel [Re: Hooplehead] #864719 01/31/08 12:12 AM
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Hooplehead Offline OP
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On oil.. *I'm guessing <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/baby.gif" alt="" /> 15w40 with a code that
indicated "C" for compression engine..

OK next..
I want to get started with a clean fuel tank and
new lines.. are diesel fuel filters easy to find?

Where are sources for "glow plugs"?? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/ignore.gif" alt="" />

Doc~ <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/patriot.gif" alt="" />

Re: winter start up for Frankenstine ZooZu turbo-Diesel [Re: Hooplehead] #864720 01/31/08 03:07 AM
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overland47 Offline
Getting the Wheeling Fever
I use Delo 400 (Chevron) 15w-40 in all my diesels. It is made specifically for diesels. Make sure to get the 400 and not the 100. The bottles look the same. Comes in a gallon jug. Shell Rotella is good also.

On glow plugs, I can't remember what the preferred brand is. I ran Bosch plugs in my C223 for 2 years until I put it out of its misery with no problems.

Both the oil and glow plugs are available at any auto parts store.

For the filter, what does it have now and are you re-plumbing the original fuel system or putting a temporary tank on the fender just to get it running? If the original, a good auto parts store (NAPA) can match your old one. If doing the temp tank, any inline filter will suffice very temporarialy. You will want a filter with a water seperator when you do your final install.

Re: winter start up for Frankenstine ZooZu turbo-Diesel [Re: overland47] #864721 02/04/08 08:09 PM
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Hooplehead Offline OP
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<img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> Good news!

The 2.2 Turbo isn't stuck!
It turned by hand.. so I hooked up the tow bar
and slowly pulled the truck around in gear..

That was fun <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/zombie.gif" alt="" />!!

Later.. Fresh battery and it chugged 2-3 revolutions
before the starter broke free.. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/baby.gif" alt="" />

"Broke free" means.. starter enguages but quickly
spins off.. *I'm thinking a worn starter gear.. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/drunk.gif" alt="" />

Time for new starter?

-also is there a test for "glow plugs"? How do I know
if they are bad?

Doc~ <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/patriot.gif" alt="" />

Re: winter start up for Frankenstine ZooZu turbo-Diesel [Re: Hooplehead] #864722 02/05/08 05:31 AM
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overland47 Offline
Getting the Wheeling Fever
That is good news. I'm used to dealing with tractors that have been sitting for years, so if they turn over, your half way there.

What do you mean by the starter spins off??

Glow plugs.....hard to say how the people hooked them up, but you will likely need them to work to get it to start. Is there just a push button switch going to a solenoid that powers them? Probably. Quick check- Test for power to the bus bar, metel strip that connects all the glow plugs together, when you push the button. If no power, you need to trace back the system and see where the fault is. To test each individual plug, take off the bus bar to isolate each plug. Use a voltmeter to check the resistance between the threaded post the hooks to the bus bar and ground. Should be about 2 or 3 ohm's I think. Should have something anyway. Infinite, out of limits, etc indicates an open circuit = bad plug.

Good luck <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />

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