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1989 Dodge raider swap 1.9TDI? #879957 04/09/08 07:16 PM
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ipdesign Offline OP
Need a Spot
hey ya all,
been sicretly using this forum, but just now registered. So there you can cross examin as much as you want.

check this link, i have been babbling about a TDI implant in a 1989 Dodge Raider SWB, Auto, V6.
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3598683&postid=47316161
thanks to belewmoon i finally moved onto this web site.

anyway couple of questions that may be perfect to ask in this forum.
Does the suzuki sidekick in fact uses the A44DE transmission, 4 door model 4wd, in and around 1996? (i checked but one can never be too sure, as the adapter plate is not cheap)
numeru duo, does the A44DE transmission in fact uses same bellhousing(as far as engine to trans area is concerned) as the A44d or A44DL?
Lastly, what do you guys think about the research, have i drank too much Absenthin or what? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/drunk.gif" alt="" />

thanks for your help

Re: 1989 Dodge raider swap 1.9TDI? [Re: ipdesign] #879958 04/09/08 08:09 PM
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shadowgear Offline
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Hello ipdesign,

Firstly welcome to the wire! To my knowledge, since I've been here (which isn't long) I don't think VW diesel swaps have been discussed. If you do a quick search for +4.3 & +swap, you will come up with one of the two more 'popular' engine swap choices. If you look a few posts down you'll see the ever popular and well read G-Raider Supercharger project. You have the highly sought after V6 automatic Vintage that most aspire to acquire.

Out of curiousity why are you considering the swap? Fuel mileage? What numbers are you getting now? Perhaps there is another underlying problem that needs to be addressed which results in your poor mileage. Keep in mind you drive a heavy vehicle with the aerodynamics of a brick so don't expect too much there.

In the Mitsu diesel forum there is a thread concerning the 4D55t diesel ranger swap into a Raider/Montero/Pajero. To my knowledge you'll be the first to do this swap and consider what kind of money you might be putting into the swap. Not trying to dissuade you, but it might be more economical in buying a gen II diesel. There are a few to be had for under $7k with low miles and shipping shouldn't be too bad to the east coast (was around $1K last time I checked).

Anyway kudos to you for thinking outside of the box and welcome! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" /> Sorry I wasn't much help on the technical side of things.


'88 Raider 2.6L - SW Hubs, Weber 32/36, Off-road Pkg - Dead
'88 Monty 2.7L - 5" Lift, Weber 38, 33's, Dual Fans, Dual bouncy (more goodies to install) - Still Kicking.
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Re: 1989 Dodge raider swap 1.9TDI? [Re: shadowgear] #879959 04/09/08 09:11 PM
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ipdesign Offline OP
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well thanks, i did come across several very usefull forums posts. but G-Raider takes the cake, over 100 pages, wow.

as much as i love the mits V6(i had it in my old 1989 dodge caravan) i am more glued to diesel engine ever cince i knew what it meant. you ask enough questions for me to write a full documentary. it will really help the big picture if you get a chance to read through the other forum, as i touched on several of these questions.

many things came into play, i owned a passat VR6 and used the vortex more than anything back in those engine rebuilding days. So i heard a lot about the reputible TDI, more than any other diesel, aside from being effective and efficient diesel this engine is more than plentifull around here(eastern canada/north america), including parts support (the other numerous alternatives are the massive GM 6.2L and that lineup, the third place would be probably the mercedes, the rest are quite rare). Fuel Efficiency, Low swap budget, fascination with biodiesel, and the ease and accessibility of parts for cervice after the swap are all the major reasons for me going this rout. Really it started as a question, but you're right to point out that no one has done this, so no one could answer my questions, which made me want to dig even deeper, and like an onion it slowly revealed itself bit by bit.

about my raider, the truth is that it was too cold to work on it, but lately it wormed up and i had a chance to bring it to driving condition, will be probably used soon as a daily driver and then will see the efficiency. But i know they are not that efficient based on other people's accounts. There is still some work to be done on it but nothing that can't be handled right away.

oh yes, check one of my last posts, i was talking of budget. 7K is unthinkable for me, i am not looking for bling or to bring a mountain to it's knees, just want a diesel high mpg jeep. i estimated my whole project might cost me around $3500, including the jeep buying cost. So you can see why i am going for it. But even 3.5 is a bit much for me, so i feed my dream with research and building up repair manuals database for now.
preparation ahead will save me time down the road.

technical things have a way of coming out. I remember when i was rebuilding the VR6, some days i would just be at a loss and the project would stall. the next day i pick on some stupid bolt and the day after the project is running again, you can't rush mother nature i guess.

Last edited by ipdesign; 04/09/08 09:15 PM.
Re: 1989 Dodge raider swap 1.9TDI? [Re: ipdesign] #879960 04/09/08 11:20 PM
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sparkem Offline
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Your mitsu is not a Jeep. If you can do all the work yourself, you can do it fairly cheap vs. paying a shop. That 1.9 does sound like a very cool idea.

Last edited by sparkem; 04/09/08 11:21 PM.

I just want to tell you both good luck, and we're all counting on you.
Re: 1989 Dodge raider swap 1.9TDI? [Re: sparkem] #879961 04/10/08 02:33 AM
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redbull Offline
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Ummmm...

http://www.terra2imports.ca/import-japan115587719696737.htm
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The question is, why not just import? Your cost estimate seems seriously low to me.


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Re: 1989 Dodge raider swap 1.9TDI? [Re: redbull] #879962 04/10/08 02:57 AM
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sparkem Offline
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Ok, you got me on that one. Your Montero is not a Jeep.


I just want to tell you both good luck, and we're all counting on you.
Re: 1989 Dodge raider swap 1.9TDI? [Re: sparkem] #879963 04/10/08 03:19 AM
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Your Montero is not a Jeep.


Ummm...

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...i have been babbling about a TDI implant in a 1989 Dodge Raider ...


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Re: 1989 Dodge raider swap 1.9TDI? [Re: Oyaji_Jon] #879964 04/10/08 04:07 PM
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ipdesign Offline OP
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me so sorry <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/ignore.gif" alt="" />. if we are keeping to the name rights then eah jeep is not a dodge raider. but because i don't own a manufacturing plant and if i call my rig a jeep i won't be sued for name rights. therefore i use the name "jeep" because i guess it became a common name for 4wd(in my mind at least, in russian d'jeep is a common name for all 4wd, or at least it is used so).
hey what should i call it after the mod? as i think i will get to pick the manf and model. i remember someone that did a diesel implant in a suzuki ended up changing the manufacturer to "Suzie". i wonder what mine should be called, "frankie" as in Frankenstein, or "MitsToyoVolksDodge" as in mits body, toyota trans and volks engine under dodge name. G the options are limitless, TDIRaider, oh i will have to squeeze the Acme Adapters name somewhere, dam...i got it.. "MTVDA" mtv da!?!?!?

p.s. eah that is my point really, with the price of 7K for a half cut and all else it will be easier to buy a japanese import diesel toyota 4runner. recently there came out several direct importers that hold inventory here in ontario. I'm quite sure my calculations are acurate, 1-1.5K or so for a parts car, ~800 for an adapter kit, 0.7K-1.2K for engine refresh and all other parts to make the swap(depending how bad it is this price might actually include what i paid for the raider), so total is not too far from 3.5K. again cheaper than any other option you will find out there, believe me i did my research.

Last edited by ipdesign; 04/10/08 04:20 PM.

1989 Dodge Raider SWB, V6, Auto, over 400000KM(not sure if true).
2004 Subaru Impreza Outback, 2.5Boxer, Manual.
1994 Dodge Caravan, V6(Mitsu), Auto 3spd.
and a lifetime away:
1993 VW Passat VR6, auto.
1985 Honda Magna V45(750CC)
Re: 1989 Dodge raider swap 1.9TDI? [Re: ipdesign] #879965 04/10/08 04:21 PM
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Welcome to the wire! Glad Charlie sent you this way as well. Didn't know he's on the 'tex. I'm there occasionally.

It will be interesting reading more about your project as it progresses and as Charlie noted I'm sure plenty will have some insights on engine transplants although yours will likely be the first TDI into a Mitsu on this forum.

As for Raider vs Jeep nomenclature, in the US it's quite common to hear crap from a minority of Jeep owners who think lesser of our Mitsu's... (until we strap them out of an obstacle we made it over <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> ) so this is why we take it a bit more seriously when our Mitsu's are refered to as Jeeps. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />

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~800 for an adapter kit,

I should add that an adapter kit doesn't exist. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />


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Re: 1989 Dodge raider swap 1.9TDI? [Re: off-roader] #879966 04/10/08 04:53 PM
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93montero_sr Offline
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I remember these guys doing it to a sammuri http://www.powerblocktv.com/sites/xtreme/episodes/index.php?ep_num=XT2008-03&ep_sea=0801 They made it bio desil witch aint very cheap to do and have you seen the price of desil <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/scared.gif" alt="" />


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