ok finally got the hub off. took several hours due to the fact the bolts were corroded into almost nothing. long story short will be replacing the hubs wether its the problem or not. things look really worn, a couple spots may be broken i just can't tell i am not sure what they look like when they are good. does anyone have a pretty good sized picture i can maybe look at? also, i just had the front bearings replace in october, i cant imagine they are already bad <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/scared.gif" alt="" /> so i hope that its not the problem or else a shop is gettin a huge piece of my mind. still open to ideas, just thought i would update on what i have found. i have some warn manual hubs in the mail, hopefully that solves the problem.