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welding gears #887066 05/23/08 02:05 AM
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barlown Offline OP
Getting the Wheeling Fever
I need help. I've got to the big nut that holds the drivshaft flange on and I've tried everything and it won't budge. does anyone have any tips to get this apart. I know welding affects handling but the truck is for offroad use only. and the axle seals are leaking so I figure while its apart I should go ahead and weld it up. mabe a few pics would help also <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/patriot.gif" alt="" />


88 montero 3'' body lift, torsion crank, shackles, 32'' tires 200,00 miles and going
Re: welding gears [Re: barlown] #887067 05/23/08 02:27 AM
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morgan70 Offline
Need a Spot
Hope someone replies to this soon. I am also interested in doing this to the front of my '95 LWB. I just can't stomach the cost of an ARB on a med students budget. LOL!

Re: welding gears [Re: barlown] #887068 05/23/08 04:20 AM
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FatTony Offline
Wheeler
I tried and tried but I couldn't get mine apart at home. I took it to work and put my impact on it and it came off like nothing. Is your pinion seal leaking? unless you are changing the seal there is no reason to take the flange off to change the axle seals and weld the diff. When I welded mine I removed the third member, removed the carrier, took the ring gear off, then went to town.


88 Raider sas, doubler, boggers
Re: welding gears [Re: morgan70] #887069 05/23/08 04:22 AM
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icysyrup Offline
Rock Warrior
Best rod to use is 7018 if I remember correctly. And if you havent gathered already and Arc welder. you will need to take the ring gear and carrier out if possible cause that makes it easier to access it. Make sure to clean the heck outta it with brake cleaner to get all the oil out and then weld the pi** outta the spider gears. There are 4 points on either side that need to be welded good. Weld a pass and then chip it off...weld a pass then chip it off. and repeat till finished. It takes a while cause you gotta chip all the slag off from each pass. But if done good then you will have your very own "Lincoln Locker"
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03 Montero XLS, OME 2"suspension lift,Full skid plates, Extended Diff/transfer breathers. 34 LTB's, Winch w/syn rope, Locked front/rear.
Re: welding gears [Re: icysyrup] #887070 05/23/08 04:09 PM
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FatTony Offline
Wheeler
I welded mine a little differently than everybody else does. Rather than welding the gears solidly together I welded the space inbetween the gear teeth. I welded four teeth on each side gear, and 2 teeth on each axle gear. They are welded so that the welded teeth contacte eachother when the gears turn. Leaving the gears loose you rely on the gear teeth rather than the welds to transfer power, reducing the stress and fatigue on the welds. You also allow a very small amount of slip (1/8 turn) which helps prevent breaking axles. A friend of mine did his Jeep XJ the same way, and he's been driving it daily and beating it in the bush (and I do mean beating) for three years now with no issues.


88 Raider sas, doubler, boggers
Re: welding gears [Re: FatTony] #887071 05/23/08 05:06 PM
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icysyrup Offline
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Ya either way IMO its half a dozen one, six the other. Cause if there is play it has slack to shock the gears when you are really getting on it. It just all depends on how you look at it. Both ways work and have been proven to work.

If you weld the gears together and then build up the space in the valley of the gears then if the weld fatigue's or breaks then the weld in the valley's will prevent the spider gears from turning. You will really have to pretty much explode the carrier to destroy it.

The one thing I found in looking for the most "common" way to do it is that THERE ISNT ONE. There are so many different opinions on it I found that you have to pick one method and do it. Just make sure you get enough heat for penetration on the welds and either method should work fine. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />


03 Montero XLS, OME 2"suspension lift,Full skid plates, Extended Diff/transfer breathers. 34 LTB's, Winch w/syn rope, Locked front/rear.
Re: welding gears [Re: icysyrup] #887072 05/23/08 07:38 PM
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Wait don't weld it just yet, I think since more people are doing this i should do a tech write up on the subject. I have welded many diffs and as a professional welder i have found there is a wrong and right way to do it if you want it to last. 7018 is not what you want to use by the way thats how i welded the first one and it failed after a few runs. I've got it down to a science and I'll grab another diff and weld it up as a tutorial for you guys.


1999 Montero SAS'd on Kings and stuff

1998 Montero trying to get a V8 Swapped
Re: welding gears [Re: morgan70] #887073 05/23/08 10:53 PM
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Hope someone replies to this soon. I am also interested in doing this to the front of my '95 LWB. I just can't stomach the cost of an ARB on a med students budget. LOL!


Do you already have the Mitsu locker in the rear? Do you have the lock-outs on the front yet? Just curious. It can get entertaining if you have front locked and don't have the hubs.

Edward


'97 Montero Sport LS 5-Speed 3.5L conversion
SAS Dana 44s & ARBs, 35" Yoko Geolandar M/Ts
NP231 B4R doubler/Terra Low231/RP 5.38 229:1
'99 Montero Sport Limited 4WD SAS 3-link project
'03 Montero Sport Limited AWD
'97 Montero Sport LS 5-Speed 4WD
Re: welding gears [Re: TOASTY] #887074 05/24/08 12:17 AM
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Wait don't weld it just yet, I think since more people are doing this i should do a tech write up on the subject. I have welded many diffs and as a professional welder i have found there is a wrong and right way to do it if you want it to last. 7018 is not what you want to use by the way thats how i welded the first one and it failed after a few runs. I've got it down to a science and I'll grab another diff and weld it up as a tutorial for you guys.


Get on it, and write it up. Also you guys can search my username. I built one of these a few years ago, and it was great. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />

Just have to weld it properly. 6011's really hot, lots of chipping, and brake parts cleaner to get the slag out between passes.


87 Raider 4D56td v5MT1
31's..Basically Stock
Re: welding gears [Re: LandRaider] #887075 05/24/08 12:27 AM
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I started the day off buy going to my local pick and pull to scrounge the front diff out of a Gen1 4cyl that Sparkem and I found. I got it out, and brought it home. I took out the carrier, and Unbolted the ring gear from it. The ring gear is set aside, and the carrier is put in the vice with easy acess to the spider gears.
I hosed the spider gears down with Prestone brake parts cleaner, and thats the BEST stuff I can find for cutting grease out of a spray can.

I used the Stumpy axle to stab into the Opposite gear I was welding so as not to spatter any weld into the splines.
The way I saw it, there was a strongest point to the "meshing" of the spider gears, and I posisitioned them to the deepest meshing point I could find. I just started here, and began welding the spider gears together. NOT to the case. I was able to make a few welds before I had to reposisition. I welded all the contact points up, and then got out the chipping hammer.

This is by far where I spent the most time. I chipped all the slag off of my welds, and then chipped off EVERY peice of spatter I could find. I got the wirebrush out, and went over the entire case looking for spatter.

I took 3 passes over the spider gears like this, covering more gear, and overlapping my welds a little. Every pass you have to stop, and chip the slag off, and clean up your spatter, and move your axle stump so as not to get any weld into the splines. (I actually did, but hammering the axle into the splines *pre truck assembly* knocked the spatter out)

I could actually see the spider gears melting into each other, and "becomming one" with one another.
After I welded the spider gears up, I had to let the carrier cool to ambient before the ring gear would go back into it's home due to thermal expansion. I just bolted the ring gear back on, locktighted, and correctly torqued the bolts, and then stuck the carrier back into the housing, and I think I had to hammer one of the shims back in, but it all went back together great.

I did not take any pictures just beacuse this whole project went together so fast, and so smoothly. If you look into my carrier, you can see a nice radiused weld at each contact point of the spider gears. No Huge redneck blobs, and No ultra porus welds. Just nice smooth, and relativly small welds.

The gears are not ever near any welding heat, so this is not a factor. I really feel confident that the welds are not going to break, and IF they do, the whole housing is comming apart with them. (this is why I tried this on a $40 spare diff) I really think the CV's will go first. We shall see. With my turbo, and my driving habits, I will seek and destroy weakness. I have already taken it on the trail, and it performed EXCELENT!!!. Turning was noticable different, BUT if you are rolling even the slightest ammount it is acceptable, and on soft dirt or mud, or sand it is un noticable. I locked the hubs in on the pavement just for grins, and it was impossible.

I used. 6011 rods, and 90 amp setting on my Lincoln stick welder.

You should not weld the gears to the case as they are a dissimilar metal.

Definantly a mod for off road use only. Any more specific questions?

AND of course with my hubs unlocked on the street, it drives like any other car on earth. Totally sane, and nice.


I did this over 5 years ago, and ran my mitsu IFS with my 4.3. I ended up twisting a CV shaft off at the splines with my 4.3 and 31X13.50 Swamper LTB's, so the Lincoln Locker was stronger than a CV axle shaft.
Glad all that crap is gone now. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />


87 Raider 4D56td v5MT1
31's..Basically Stock
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