You must not have driven as many 4-speeds as I have -- I started in the 1950's. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />

Generally (not a hard and fast rule). if the 1st gear is a "granny" gear (lower than 5:1), then 1st gear on a 4 or 5 speed tranny will be to the left and up. This places the normal starting gear (2nd gear) low and left, where it is on a 3-speed tranny. However, if the 1st gear is a "normal" starting gear, then 1st gear on a 4 or 5 speed tranny will be down and to the left, where a 3-speed 1st gear is normally located.

Reverse gears are a crap shoot, and there doesn't seem to be a "general" rule about them. On a 3-speed, they're up and left, but that's about the only thing that's standard.

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