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Engine Overhaul or just buy a new used engine? Your advice! #898182 07/30/08 05:06 PM
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famousredhead Offline OP
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Ok..the news is not good anyway I look at it. The mechanic calls and says I need an engine overhaul,(new piston rings,cylinders, etc). He says parts and labor cost $1,200. A newer engine (by 2 years) is $1,000 plus $300 labor. I'm torn as to what to do. He suggests the new engine. But here is my concern:

If I get this engine, (which is about 12 yrs. old) how do I know how sound it is, or if it will become a money pit? I don't right?

Or.... am I better off having him repair my engine (albeit 14 yrs. old)and I know everything has been fixed and is at least in good shape.

1). What would you do?
2). Think those prices are good ones?
3). Can a blown head gasket really cause me to need this overhaul or is it something else?

Thanks

Re: Engine Overhaul or just buy a new used engine? Your advice! [Re: famousredhead] #898183 07/30/08 05:53 PM
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OldColt Offline
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3) If you have a blown head gasket that does not mean the engine needs an overhaul.

When I buy used engines I get the imported ones, I have had good luck with them.


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95 Montero SR 3.8 DOHC Only one?
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Re: Engine Overhaul or just buy a new used engine? Your advice! [Re: famousredhead] #898184 07/30/08 08:02 PM
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TainterRacing Offline
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Yes it could need rebuilding but not all ways Matters how much and where it was leaking.


1997 Montero LS with a motor swap a 1990 V6 12valve ported heads full 2.5in Ex I run stock tire size for Daily use, off road have 33x12.5 working on going trubo.
Re: Engine Overhaul or just buy a new used engine? Your advice! [Re: famousredhead] #898185 07/30/08 08:25 PM
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FrankR Offline
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1). What would you do?

I'd rebuild it, but only if I knew the reputation of the shop and got a 12 month/12K mile warranty on parts and labor.

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2). Think those prices are good ones?


The rebuild price is cheap (maybe too cheap?) depending on where you live. Beware that there are rebuilds - and there are "quick fixes"..... and they aren't the same by any means. A quality rebuild is quite involved.

The price for the used engine is too high unless it includes installation. If installation is included, I'd still want the same warranty.... which you're unlikely to get on a used engine.

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3). Can a blown head gasket really cause me to need this overhaul or is it something else?


As Charley said.... No - unless there are other issues - like the engine being worn out from very high mileage.

While the engine is out, you might as well have the radiator rodded out if it hasn't been done - and replace the cooling fan clutch.

Frank


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Re: Engine Overhaul or just buy a new used engine? Your advice! [Re: FrankR] #898186 07/31/08 03:05 AM
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fasteddy Offline
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Red, I'll be less subtle. I think he's shining you on.

I've replaced multiple head gaskets on engine exactly like yours, and listened to stories on several dozen, if not a hundred more. I know for sure I've done at least 10 of my own, the first several wrong until I finally got it RIGHT.

Old Colt (Charley), knows so much more about them than I do, it's scary. (Charley, you ever done anything but fool with Mitsu motors?? And if so, I don't care how old the Colt is, when did you have time to learn it). Frank is as thorough and informed about engines as you'll ever want to find. Unfortunately, his blow up ( <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/evil.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/evil.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/evil.gif" alt="" /> 's made me say that....), but I agree completely with his answers and advice.

Mitsu V6 engine bottom ends are very, very tough. If your oil pressure always read above 30 at most any normal cruising speed and the engine ran smoothly before, you can probably get away with just fixing the head gaskets AND WITHOUT FAIL, have the radiator taken out and to a professional radiator shop and flow tested and repaired as needed. DO NOT let anybody sell you a replacement radiator until you check back here.

"Fixing the head gasket" MUST include the following steps:

Remove the heads and have inspected by a GOOD automotive machine shop. You want them to inspect for cracks (pressure test and UV dye test) and measure warp and recommend repair and rebuild or replace. IF replace, check back here for a Clearwater aftermarket head source. Should be around $250-300 for a NEW head (better than the original) with all internal parts. I think it's pretty well established that this new head is the cheapest and best way to go, unless your machine shop is very inexpensive, and I probably wouldn't trust one that was...

Have the exhaust manifolds machined flat again at the machine shop, too. Should be 30-40bucks

Then you need a good head gasket kit. You want the head gasket set made by a company named Felpro, or stock Mitsu. I think I last paid something like 174bucks for the set.

Labor to remove the heads should be about 3-4 hours max. Prep to install and install labor should run 4-5 hours including testing.

Radiator service should be less than $150 unless they have to replace the core, in which case you can upgrade the radiator to more efficient new core and have it installed and all other leaks fixed for under $300.

You want all new belts and hoses, and I figure you'll spend around $150-250 on all that, plus under $40 worth of new oil and filters, and 10-15bucks worth of antifreeze and a new Mitsubishi radiator cap from the dealer.

You also want a new set of spark plugs, and I recommend NGK brand of plain vanilla spark plugs, no platinum, no iridium, no funky tip plain vanilla spark plugs, and new NGK spark plug wires. And a new air filter. Maybe another hundred total.

I'd be curious as to exactly WHY the engine must be completely replaced? What has he (the "mechanic") measured, or found broken, or found worn out? Has he already removed the head and measured the bores? That's one of the few things he can actually measure unless he already removed the entire engine and took it mostly apart.

If it is the whole engine, my best advice is to buy a running used engine with a guarantee that it is rebuildable when purchased, and rebuild that one. Done right, you end up with one as good as or better than new with the cheapest possible rebuild costs.

Last edited by fasteddy; 07/31/08 03:11 AM.

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Re: Engine Overhaul or just buy a new used engine? Your advice! [Re: famousredhead] #898187 07/31/08 05:21 AM
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You could drain the oil and get a sample ... if it runs let it warm for a bit then get the sample.

Send the sample oil out to a lab ( blackstone is good) will tell you how much metal and anti freeze is in it and let you know how much damage the bad gasket did.

That should help you decide if you should repair your engine or not.

Kevin


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Re: Engine Overhaul or just buy a new used engine? Your advice! [Re: Kevin C] #898188 08/04/08 06:24 AM
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asmTdi Offline
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i had the similar option just 400kms ago, i rebuilt my engine with new pistons, ring, main and big end bearings, new cylinder sleeves(mines a diesel 2.5) and its as good as brand new now, with a recon engine i wouldnt know whats in it and how much life is left off it..its better to rebuild with original MMC parts


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