Yep the JB quick did the trick. i really think it is a design flaw to have a grounding source so close to the high voltage output on the coil but whatever i'm happy as a clam that i found it finally. by the way the boot on the wire covered the arc so it was almost inpossible to see so pull the boot back and rev it slow to 1/4 throttle and if it's like mine it won't arc across then floor it and watch the pretty blue white arc go crazy across there. and a coil can short internally also so even if you don't see the arc it doesn't mean the coil isn't arcing inside. Thanks to everyone for their help and input on this thread and my own thread.