if all else fails i will tie the wife up pack up everything and move south to VA..My Grandmother has a canner and will teach me how to do it,i already know how to plant,and grow a garden.and hunting and fishing will put meat on the table plus the farm critters.Bring it on, it is a good way to show the rich,snobby people who really can survive without them <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

out of all the jeeps in this town the d**n gremlin had to invade mine

I've done so much,with so little for so long i can practicly do anything with nothing