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Re: The LandRaider financial meltdown / great depression preperation and survival thread. [Re: LandRaider] #907992 10/01/08 08:52 AM
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Security / Personal Protection

This section, as with all of these sections contains good information for every day life. This info will keep you out of 90% of problems.

My single most important suggestion for this section is OPSEC. You milspec .gov guys will know what this is, but I will go ahead and spell it out for the others.

Operational Security.
Loose lips Sink Ships.

There is seldom a need to provide anyone with the information that you are ammasing a stockpile of supplies to see yourself / family through difficult times. This needs to be explained to your Significant other, Children, or anyone else that you include in these plans.

MOST of you guys prob think I'm crazy, and wasting my time, but really?? what does this hurt? It give me peace of mind, and keeps me busy as a hobby. The public is afraid of people who are prepared. Why this is, I do not know, but I do now that it is best to keep a low profile, and be non exhistant to the public.

Situational Awareness.

For the love of all that is good people!!!WATCH WHERE YOU ARE GOING!!!! I see people wandering around totally oblivious as to anything going on around them. It's like they become a Zombie, and just shuffle around. Head up, sweeps side to side, high level of awareness. DO NOT act confrontational, but be aware, and alert. Look people in the eyes, but don't stare them down, or give them the stink eye. It's a bad idea to get gas at 2am, and the Skeezy gas station in an un familiar part of town, so plan your fill-up during the day.

Don't stand out. Blend is as much as possible. As cool as it looks, camo clothes stand out on the street, and in public. They scream I am different. No battle vests either, or huge packs either. Small school style backpack, with a simple camelback will do. Jeans, and a T-shirt, or hoodie works great. You wan't to convey the message that "I am no one, attacking me is a waste of time, I have nothing to offer you"

Fences.
Good Fences make Good neighbors. There is nothing to announce private property any better than a barbed wire fence. This will keep out the accidental trespasser, and give your animals the ability to roam freely around.

Dogs.
Any dog is good. huge dogs are great
Dogs are awesome for several reasons. They beat the crap out of any alarm system you can install, and while most are just intimidating, and would not attack anyone, some dogs will get down, and hurt someone if provoked. Even little otherwise worthless yipyap dogs are good to have. They'll let you know when someone is rustling a goat, or picking your tomatoes. Dogs are great companions, and I am sure you all know that.

Weapons.
Everyone has their own personal opinions on guns. Mine happens to be they are a fight equalizer.

I suggest getting a handgun, and good concealed holster, and practicing with it. Once proficient, carry it everywhere possible. Even in the home, on the farm, everywhere.

The general public has no clue the amount of legal ccw's around. I usually "make" one or 2 people a month at my place of business. This is not because they are carrying open, or irresponsibly, but just because I know what to look for. There are tell tale signs.

Glock makes some nice low mntc pistols that I would recomend in several popular calibers. 9mm, 40, and 45 being the most popular.

Shotguns are also popular for the home defense aspect. Can't go wrong with a 12 gauge Remington 870, and single, or 00 buck.

A lot of the "survival people" are in love with the AR15, and while it's a great weapon, and if "things get real deep" I'd rather have one than a pistol, I'm afraid that it plays a very small role in the overall scheme of things.

Alot of folks have bought spare rifles to loan or have on hand for whatever. SKS's are popular.

Farily obvious that if you own a firearm, you should prob. own a cleaning kit, and ammunition for said firearm. How much ammo?? Well.... I've got a years worth of food saved, so.... you get the idea.

Guns are serious business, and not something to be taken lightly at all. They will kill you, your children, your dog, your TV, and anything you point them at, and pull the trigger. It takes a large commitment to be a safe, and responsible gun owner, and an even larger one to be a safe, and responsible CCW holder.

If you're not going to get the proper training, and practice until proficient, then you are better off not having a gun at all, and practicing good situational awareness. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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Re: The LandRaider financial meltdown / great depression preperation and survival thread. [Re: LandRaider] #907993 10/01/08 03:01 PM
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Also, build a very sturdy roof over your head..........because the sky is falling! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/scared.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/scared.gif" alt="" />


Two MRI's and a CAT scan....it's confirmed. I'm just not right in the head.
Re: The LandRaider financial meltdown / great depression preperation and survival thread. [Re: lee_raider] #907994 10/01/08 03:35 PM
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I cant believe so many self proclaimed 'outdoor types' are busting your balls for this thread Landraider. I think it is essential information.


"Bear Grylls" <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> Yea listen to him and die the first day. I remember the first episode I saw where he was in the desert. He jumps into a gorge full of water he cant drink then swims himself into a tight spot where he has to climb straihg tup slickrock while wet.... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

I'll survive because I watch "Man VS wild" <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> LMAO

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SKS's are popular


They are perfect as they are cheap, ammo is cheap and it is likely an enemy will be shooting 7.62x39. YOu can drop a deer with one shot as well. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/ignore.gif" alt="" />

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Re: The LandRaider financial meltdown / great depression preperation and survival thread. [Re: LandRaider] #907995 10/01/08 04:07 PM
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PM me the going rate for that 6, I might be interested if the price is right. It would be great to have neighbor to keep a eye on it for me. Besides I can cover your flank with superior firepower <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/patriot.gif" alt="" />

Is there a airfield nearby? I fly little planes <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />


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Re: The LandRaider financial meltdown / great depression preperation and survival thread. [Re: LRJ4x4] #907996 10/01/08 04:19 PM
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Learn about edible plants as well. Get a field guide, read it then put it in your survial kit. Also This is a good book. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" /> More details on edibles. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />



Some info on radiation. (stolen from somwhere) <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> I recommend learning how to protect yourself from contamination and cleansing procedures.



Effects

External radiation occurs when either part of or all of the body is exposed from an external source, such as when a person is standing near the site of where a radiological device such as a suitcase bomb or suitcase nuke is set off and he or she is exposed to radiation, which can be absorbed by the body or can pass completely through it.

Contamination occurs when radioactive materials in the form of solids, liquids or gases are released into the air and contaminate people externally, internally or both. This happens when body parts such as the skin become contaminated and/or if the harmful material gets inside the body via the lungs, gut or wounds.

Incorporation of radioactive material occurs when body cells, tissues and organs such as bone, liver, thyroid or kidney, are contaminated.

Gamma radiation can travel many meters in the air and many centimeters once in human tissue; therefore they represent a major external threat. Dense material is needed as a shield. Beta radiation can travel meters in air and can moderately penetrate human skin, but clothing and some protection can help. Alpha radiation travels a very short distance through the air and canÆt penetrate the skin, but can be harmful if inhaled, swallowed or absorbed through open wounds.

Radiation in the first hour after an explosion is about 90 percent, with it going down to about 1 percent of the original level after two days. Radiation only drops to trace levels after 300 hours.

Symptoms

People in the immediate vicinity of a suitcase nuke or suitcase bomb detonation would likely die from the force of the conventional explosion itself. Some survivors of the blast might die of radiation poisoning in the weeks afterward. Those farther away from the explosion might suffer radiation sickness in the days and weeks afterward, but recover. Over time, risks of cancer in the affected area would rise, but perhaps only slightly.

A mix of physical symptoms must be used to judge the seriousness of exposure. Impact of radiation poisoning also changes if the body has experienced burns or physical trauma. In the case of treatable victims, extensive medical treatment may be needed for more than two months after exposure.

Some symptoms may include vomiting, headache, fatigue, weakness, diarrhea, thermal burn-like skin effects, secondary infections, reoccurring bleeding and hair loss.

Treatment

If detection and decontamination occurs soon after exposure, about 95 percent of external radioactive material can be removed by taking off the victimÆs clothing and shoes and washing with water. Further decontamination may require the use of bleaches or other mild abrasives.

Treatment of a victim within the first six weeks to two months after exposure is vital and is determined by what types of radioactive isotopes to which the victim was exposed.

Medical personnel will treat victims for hemorrhage and shock. Open wounds are usually irrigated to cleanse them of any radioactive traces. Amputation of limbs may occur if a wound is highly contaminated and functional recovery isnÆt likely.

If radioactive material is ingested, treatment is given to reduce absorption and enhance excretion and elimination. It includes stomach pumping or giving the victim laxatives or aluminum antacids, among other things.

If radioactive material has gotten into a victimÆs internal organs and tissues, treatment includes giving the patient various blocking and diluting agents, such as potassium iodide, to decrease absorption. Mobilizing agents such as ammonium chloride, diuretics, expectorants and inhalants are given to a patient to force the tissues to release the harmful isotopes. Other treatments involve chelating agents. When ingested, these agents bind with some metals more strongly than others to form a stable complex that, when soluble, are more easily excreted through the kidneys.



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Re: The LandRaider financial meltdown / great depression preperation and survival thread. [Re: cmonty72] #907997 10/01/08 05:05 PM
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crap...you just can not fight radiation contamination.

unless you have a lead suit like Iron Man:



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Re: The LandRaider financial meltdown / great depression preperation and survival thread. [Re: ghostraider] #907998 10/01/08 05:25 PM
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Hey I read a disaster book last week. It's called "The Last Centurion" by John Ringo.

The premise is a global viral plague followed by a mini-ice age.

It was a fun read.

Bill


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Re: The LandRaider financial meltdown / great depression preperation and survival thread. [Re: ghostraider] #907999 10/01/08 08:02 PM
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crap...you just can not fight radiation contamination.

unless you have a lead suit like Iron Man:



<img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />


Then you die of lead poisoning instead <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />

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Re: The LandRaider financial meltdown / great depression preperation and survival thread. [Re: LandRaider] #908000 10/01/08 09:06 PM
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Good post.


I just want to tell you both good luck, and we're all counting on you.
Re: The LandRaider financial meltdown / great depression preperation and survival thread. [Re: LandRaider] #908001 10/01/08 11:25 PM
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Besides... I'd look awfully silly ridin a 650 hp muscle car when I am unemployed, and burning wood for heat.


But you would be King of the trailerpark <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/mrt.gif" alt="" />

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