It's called denial. I saw that movie too and it opened my eyes in a big way. People aren't easily convinced by words alone. First they have to actually give a rats behind. Second, they have to be open to the idea that parts of this country and world have some faults and aren't all apple pie and flag waving patriotism and third, have to be open to the idea that people they support might actually have some faults, which then questions some of their own most basic ideologies.

A lot of Americans take confort and have security in the idea that they can "believe" in their party or their politicans and heros. Challenging that is not unlike challenging to a Christian that Jesus doesn't exist. You're not going to get very far.

Fortunately, they are now doing things so openly, especially in the last few weeks, all you have to do is point to the obvious. Unfortunately, they are probably so open today, because they no longer have anything left to fear from the rest of us. We're now too dumb as a mass society to stop them and even if we all collectively agree they have their evil hooks in our society, we are now powerless to stop them.

The bail out bill proved that once and forall. The American people were against it at least 9 to 1, yet they passed it anyway. It proves that they now can do whatever they want.

i think that the dependant masses are ignorant... its always about w, why? i still dont understand why blame is bieng shifted from the pilosi congress that is possibly the most corrupt in the history of our doomed nation. just out of curiosity, has anybody here read liberal facism by jonus goldberg?

...here's a good one:

Right click>save file as mp3... gathered from the US National Archives.

more complete...

Corithians
"For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. Therefore it is not surprising his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness, whose end will correspond to their actions."

This is my point. Beware of "Christians" that support greed and war ultimately causing Revelation. This was prophecized. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Real "Christians" are not in politics.

Things you'll never see on MSM news - resent arrest of Iraqi vets - the end is the kicker

<img src="/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> C'mon man.

??? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> One of them was trampled by cops on horseback and last I heard in serious condition.

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The group

So you think just because they demanded to be let into the debate, they should have? If they had listened to the cops, they wouldn't have gotten hurt, no? Maybe I'm not being quite fair, but it seriously PISSES me off to see a guy with long hair wearing a uniform. I think it is disrespectful.

Maybe I missed some things...I had a hard time hearing the audio...between my old age, and the crappy speakers on my PC.

I'm with you Stony, that made no sense to me. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

Well there's no question that the issues are censored. (They have to be because our 'two' candidates are both pro-Iraq war). These guys are fighting against that fact. I think they have every right to make they're statement without a cops horseshoe planted in their face. They've certainly earned it.

And I think the attitude and actions copped by these lawmen-unto-themselves should cause everyone concern - regardless of hair length <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />