As I read this thread, batsh!t keeps coming to mind. Dunno if that's just me.

Phil, are you gonna believe me or your lying eyes? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />



hardly - I base my opinion on what I see..... and what I see doesn't appear to be torched to me. What do you base your opinion on? Alex Jones?



I said it was designed to break at the weakest point - which is the base itself - and I would imagine the edges to be a likely point - but I also said it would depend on manufacturing quality control - the details are often confusing, eh?



Who said it wasn't? You? I missed that. Buut I will say it doesn't look like it was torched. I use a torch here at work, Phil - I don't think anything I torched would look like that - nor do I think anyone would torch a base at the angles of those breaks.

But believe what you will....... for whatever reason.

frank

Well, that explains where you're getting some of this stuff. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />



I don't know - go look for them and do your own research and explain what happened.



If you understood the Purdue engineering data, you would recognize that much of the weight is in liquid form - and much of the metal structure of the plane itself disintegrates at high-speed contact with a reinforced structure...... anyway, I can't get you to accept reasonable explanations, so I won't try.

You can drive yourself crazy if you want to - just don't expect me or anyone else to ride with you. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />

Frank <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />

Straw man again. No Frank - I base my opinion on impossible Flight recorder data info, witnesses of the plane location, and the fact that a 757 could not have crashed into the Pentagon given the evidence. So then I see these poles and think - if what took them down couldn't have taken them down - then what did. And I find an even sheer at fixed levels that resemble cutting of some kind on cast aluminum quite remarkable.

Obviously I'm not stuck on a torch...angle grinder...whatever. There is visual evidence for heat.

Exactly. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" /> I have looked for them and I'm coming up short. If you ever find one yourself let me know <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />



No, you can't provide a reasonable explanation - so I don't blame you for not trying. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> The empty wt of a 757 is around 57-65 tons. The max fuel cap of a 757 is around 6 tons. For a 757 to fit the evidence of the scene (i guess for some) we have to erroneously assume that indeed, "that much of the weight is in liquid form". (and also remove engines, reinforce uber material tail section that cuts through a building that shows no evidence of a tail section striking it...)

I've already explained that George Bush did it..... it looks to me like he used a bush hog. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />

Frank

<img src="/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> Straw man again. Never said that but if thats the best you can do feel free to run with that Frank.

anyways...

Just released...the irony:
Army Specialist April Gallup, survi...nt for failure to act on foreknowledge.

Let's take a look at that. What is an Army Specialist? 2 ranks away from a Private:

US Army Ranks & Insignias

There's nothing wrong with being a Specialist, but it ain't so grand as the word sounds. And how does one become a "career Specialist"?.... by spending the better part of a career at the bottom of the food chain?



So, she heard 2 loud explosions and was knocked unconcious - which gives credence to her claim that a plane didn't hit the Pentagon? If it wasn't a plane, what was it? And how would she know if she was unconscious?

Where is her explanation for what happened? All it seems to me to be is an attempted money grab by this "career specialist".

And Phil...... with all of the claims that you and others make that there was no plane, I ask you the same question:

What was it? And what evidence do you have to prove what it was - other than conjecture and conspiracy theories?

You want to see the evidence that it was something.... I want to see the evidence that it was something else - but first you need to say what it was. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Heck, maybe it was a missile shot from one of those F-16s that weren't in the air - shooting at a passenger liner over Pennsylvania - you know - just an accidental miss. But then we'd have to figure out a way to put Dick Cheney at the scene with a torch to take care of the lamp posts. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />

I want to hear what the conspiracy theorists think happened - not just questions that offer no plausible alternative and never prove anything contrary to the official version.

What was it?

Frank

You are not alone. The thread is definitely weird.

Were there not folks that lost their lives on that plane or are the family members just imaging things?