Well lets see:
First - Frank again you circumvent evidence by this time attacking the rank of a military person to discredit their experience. I could care if it was a janitor. If rank and status is your criteria by which you judge testimony -
then stick with this guy. If not - then at least
consider her experience and viewpoint as a ground zero witness to the event As cmonty has said - if the official conspiracy theory is a slam dunk - what is your or the government's beef with anyone examining and trying the evidence? What are you afraid of?
Were there not folks that lost their lives on that plane or are the family members just imaging things?
With the exception of a couple of the alleged hijackers its seems most likely to me that those said to be aboard the planes were killed. How exactly is anyone's guess, but I find the initial AP reports of Flight 93 and Flight 1989 landing at Clevland suspicious. I find the fact that in those reports the passengers on the alleged flight 93 were deboarded into a defunct NASA hangar and the story ends there rather disturbing. And why, according to an FOIA lawsuit, did three non military aircraft leave that airport in the days after when all were supposedly grounded? I find the testimony of Clayton White of the NY Giants disturbing.
I could take pages citing why the official story in every detail stinks. But let me throw a few of the less sexy, less debated ones out there - I find the FAA registration records of the aircraft suspicious. I find Indira Singh's testimony damning. I find Ptech fitting. I find the submission of a revised flight plan by the hijackers on 93 enroute to be hysterical. I find the NTSB FDR simulation and their response to questions ridiculous. I find alleged cell phone calls nearly impossible given the technology at the time and the calls recorded to be extremely odd and out of character.
I don't believe for a minute that 93 crashed in Shanksville but I can't get into that on a public forum <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> I find the NORAD tapes damning.
I find Trans Sec. Mineta's testimony (that was struck from the final 9-11 commission report) damning (and no doubt will be used in Gallop's lawsuit) I find all the evidence around Atta and Huffman aviation completely unravelling to the official story.
I find Berry Jennings' story and hi...ore the NIST report on WTC 7 compelling. I find 9-11 Commission Chair Lee Hamilton's statement that the "Commission was set up to fail" ...true <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
If they aren't dead, perhaps Phil knows where they're hiding.
If Phil knows where they're hiding, perhaps he will let their families know where to find them.
If the plane actually crashed somewhere else, perhaps Phil knows where it crashed.
And if it wasn't a plane that crashed into the Pentagon, I'm sure Phil knows what it was.
I don't know what hit the pentagon. I know what didn't hit the Pentagon. Ridicule is fine - it comes with your preconception.
Phil.. show them the only video released of the "plane" screaming in 4 feet above the ground. you know the one I am talking about. A security camera footage where the "plane" is 20 feet long, and shaped like a missle...
Personally... I do not think our gov. is capable ot pulling off a conspiracy like this, and at BEST it's a cover up for something.
I don't either. But when considering that statement we delineate to commonly accepted understanding of 'government' - the mere outer layer of the system we are familiar with when it fact it is a multidimensional and unfathomably complex enterprise that consists of thousands of individuals of different creeds, motives, agendas, etc. There are good people and bad people in it. Criminals and saints. Some people that will unquestionably do what their told, other who can be convinced, others who can be coerced, others who can be bought, others are clueless and naive, others who will do what's right no matter what... There are some who will lie and some who will tell the truth and some who will break when the heat is on, and some who forever fly under the radar. Within those personalities are some who give orders and some who take orders...Within that it is rational to assume that in some cases 'birds of feather flock together'. Who nowadays isn't profiled when they apply for a job? Who isn't profiled when a promotion is considered? It is also rational to conclude that an 'inside job' of such magnitude will have compartmentalization that will help failsafe the operation among the multitude of personalities that will have some part or witness to the event. The NORAD tapes are proof of this. The war game exercises held that day are proof of this.
The other part of that statement needs reassessment IMO. They didn't 'pull it off' - The fact that anyone questions the official version, or downright doesn't believe it or has evidence contrary is validation of this point. The fact that the claims and evidence contrary have not found their day in court or are 'officially' considered or reviewed is not suggestive that they are invalid, but only a testament to the power of the shadow government and/or the people that are really running things.
Furthermore when you ponder that claim, keep in mind that this same incompetent government had talking heads sitting in guest chairs of every major media studio before the towers even fell, solidifying the perception before even a scrap of evidence was gathered, that bin laden did it. So at what point do you consider them incompetent and yet implicitly trustworthy of their assessment - which requires competence?
This is how things have always been done - since Nero burned Rome and blamed it on the Christians.
In our context - reviewing recent history, this cabal of like minds and agendas have had quasi control since JFK took a bullet to the FOREHEAD. The control has strengthened, and our liberties diminished incrementally following every subsequent major event.
The poles...its not impossible to imagine shutting down the road in the middle of the night, knocking off the poles and throwing them next to the guard rail. As Mineta's testimony affirms - the incoming flight was known and tracked with plenty of time to set up for the rest of the op the next day. The only car that was on that part of the road (which was immediately shut down when the pentagon was hit) was the black lincoln taxi seen in the photo. Lloyd is the driver. His wife is FBI. He's been
interviewed extensively by citizen investigators - his story is fishy, and his damaged car is fishier still.
Back to one more thing regarding one of the earlier comments.
There is this aire that is commonly projected against 'truthers' of 'how dare you question the events surrounding the deaths of the victims and efforts of rescue workers'. Be careful who you bring that up with. A very large contingent of them are not on your side and in fact very disgusted with the whole mambepambe virility that has permeated perceptions of 9-11:
Press for Truth - Produced in coope...d not accept the governments hush money.9-11 Truth Rising - a look at the activists and rescue workers - 70% of the 40,000 sick, dying,
and dead based on lies of the very government you believe regarding the events that led to this travesty.
See for yourself what the 9-11 victims families think of the official story
