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I'm not gonna get into an eyewitness quote battle.


Of course not - you'd lose.

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And it should be noted that some of those quotes have been condensed from their complete context


The heart of it is there - I don't think you could find that many folks who saw an AA airplane fly into the Pentagon if it didn't happen.

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BTW Frank - Goddard is a 'conspiracy theorist'...


Yes, he took the Super-Duper Red Pill which is used to make Truth from half-truth.

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and the links to articles from which they were sourced are gone


Some are, but enough remain for most folks to get the idea - and if you really want to see them, try Lexis-Nexis.

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There is a large contingent of truthers (based on witness testimony) that believe the best explanation involves a flyover.


OK, show me where they can disprove eyewitness accounts and get those eyewitnesses to agree that the plane didn't really hit the Pentagon.

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Fact: The FBI rounded up and confiscated 80+ tapes from surveillance cameras around the Pentagon that very day. Why not show us the tapes? (Hell, why confiscate tapes?)


So what does that prove? I suspect some of the same has been done with the airliners that hit the WTC - because I saw something on TV that day that I have not seen since - what I thought was an F-16 rolling in (too late) behind the second airliner - but I can't be sure - all I know is that another airplane appeared flying left-to-right across the path of the incoming airliner that hit the second WTC building long after all aircraft were supposed to be on the ground. Does that mean that the airliner didn't hit the WTC? Nope.

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What proponents of a 757 hitting the Pentagon (which includes some truthers) don't want to get into is the 16 foot hole through which presumably a 60 ton, 124 foot wingspan, 44 foot tail height aircraft squeezed. The tail height is significant in light of this hole - as the external surface surrounding this hole - including windows - remains intact with absolutely no indication of even contact - let alone damage. Support columns within the building that withstood the impact are also indicative of a smaller craft. Of course a physics simulation paraded out by a respected university is convenient - especially when the simulation has neither of the two 6 ton ea. engines comprised mostly of titanium factored into the model. Also convenient is the fate of the tail - which remains attached and laughably collapses into the fuselage as it plows through a wall section that, in reality, sustains no damage.


The explanation is there if you want to read it..... and believe it.

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So do you think or do you know what hit the Pentagon?


Since neither of us saw the airplane hit, we're left with what we think - based on a preponderance of evidence. I accept the evidence I see and find it plausible. You don't. Yet you have no alternative theory - except to use your disbelief and distrust of the government to state that it wasn't American Airlines 757 Flight 77 that hit the building..... and in the doing you contradict yourself over and over - (an airplane didn't hit it - how is the tail section intact?).... and you cannot tell us what happened to Flight 77 or the passengers..... a completely flawed theory..... yet you expect folks to use it as the basis to disbelieve the more plausible one.

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If that is true. Then why is the main if not only thrust of the 'Truth movment' an information awareness campaign? What would be the point of me handing out flyers on my own dime and time in freezing weather to "sheep that don't think"?


There is nothing wrong with asking questions and seeking truth.... except when the line is crossed and anomalies or misunderstood science is used in an attempt to create a scenario that can't hold water - and can't answer basic challenges like:

1) What hit the Pentagon?

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2) Where are the people?

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Its a shame...and troubling ain't it Frank - exercising the right to free and open assembly is very dangerous. Perhaps you should advocate for 'Conspiracy Theory' Zones to ensure that correct perceptions are maintained and society is not disrupted.


Now there's an idea. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

As usual, you make the attempt to lay credence to a conspiracy theory by pointing to another situation as proof that the other is true..... IOW, because the government has fooled you once, it tries to fool you in all things - but since you've taken the Red Pill, you're too "informed" for them to fool. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />

So, let's get back to the original questions:

1) What is it if not Flight 77 and if it wasn't Flight 77, then where is it?

2) Where are those people?

Frank