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Re: The eons old modus operandi [Re: bretwalda] #909631 12/23/08 12:09 AM
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Old school tactics.

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a. Incidents to establish a credible attack (not in chronological order):
(1) start rumors (many). Use clandestine radio.
(2) Land friendly Cubans in uniform "over-the-fence" to stage attack on base.

(3) Capture Cuban (friendly) saboteurs inside the base.

(4) Start riots near the base main gate (friendly Cubans).

(5) Blow up ammunition inside the base; start fires.

(6) Burn aircraft on air base (sabotage).

(7) Lob mortar shells from outside of base into base. Some damage to installations.

(8) capture assault teams approaching from the sea or vicinity of Guantanamo City.

(9) Capture militia group which storms the base.

(10) Sabotage ship in harbor; large fires -- napthalene.

(11) Sink ship near harbor entrance. Conduct funerals for mock-victims (may be lieu of (10)).

b. United States would respond by executing offensive operations to secure water and power supplies, destroying artillery and mortar emplacements which threaten the base.

c. Commence large scale United States military operations.

3. A "Remember the Maine" incident could be arranged in several forms:

a. We could blow up a US ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba.
b. We could blow up a drone (unmanned) vessel anywhere in the Cuban waters. We could arrange to cause such incident in the vicinity of Havana or Santiago as a spectacular result of Cuban attack from the air or sea, or both. The presence of Cuban planes or ships merely investigating the intent of the vessel could be fairly compelling evidence that the ship was taken under attack. The nearness to Havana or Santiago would add credibility especially to those people that might have heard the blast or have seen the fire. The US could follow up with an air/sea rescue operation covered by US fighters to "evacuate" remaining members of the non-existent crew. Casualty lists in US newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation.

4. We could develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington. The terror campaign could be pointed at refugees seeking haven in the United States. We could sink a boatload of Cubans en route to Florida (real or simulated). We could foster attempts on lives of Cuban refugees in the United States even to the extent of wounding in instances to be widely publicized. Exploding a few plastic bombs in carefully chosen spots, the arrest of Cuban agents and the release of prepared documents substantiating Cuban involvement, also would be helpful in projecting the idea of an irresponsible government.

5. A "Cuban-based, Castro-supported" filibuster could be simulated against a neighboring Caribbean nation (in the vein of the 14th of June invasion of the Dominican Republic). We know that Castro is backing subversive efforts clandestinely against Haiti, Dominican Republic, Guatemala, and Nicaragua at present and possible others. These efforts can be magnified and additional ones contrived for exposure. For example, advantage can be taken of the sensitivity of the Dominican Air Force to intrusions within their national air space. "Cuban" B-26 or C-46 type aircraft could make cane-burning raids at night. Soviet Bloc incendiaries could be found. This could be coupled with "Cuban" messages to the Communist underground in the Dominican Republic and "Cuban" shipments of arm which would be found, or intercepted, on the beach.

6. Use of MIG type aircraft by US pilots could provide additional provocation. Harassment of civil air, attacks on surface shipping and destruction of US military drone aircraft by MIG type planes would be useful as complementary actions. An F-86 properly painted would convince air passengers that they saw a Cuban MIG, especially if the pilot of the transport were to announce such fact. The primary drawback to this suggestion appears to be the security risk inherent in obtaining or modifying an aircraft. However, reasonable copies of the MIG could be produced from US resources in about three months.

7. Hijacking attempts against civil air and surface craft should appear to continue as harassing measures condoned by the government of Cuba. Concurrently, genuine defections of Cuban civil and military air and surface craft should be encouraged.

8. It is possible to create an incident which will demonstrate convincingly that a Cuban aircraft has attacked and shot down a chartered civil airliner en route from the United States to Jamaica, Guatemala, Panama or Venezuela. The destination would be chosen only to cause the flight plan route to cross Cuba. The passengers could be a group of college students off on a holiday or any grouping of persons with a common interest to support chartering a non-scheduled flight.

a. An aircraft at Eglin AFB would be painted and numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered aircraft belonging to a CIA proprietary organization in the Miami area. At a designated time the duplicate would be substituted for the actual civil aircraft and would be loaded with the selected passengers, all boarded under carefully prepared aliases. The actual registered aircraft would be converted to a drone.
b. Take off times of the drone aircraft and the actual aircraft will be scheduled,to allow a rendezvous south of Florida. From the rendezvous point the passenger-carrying aircraft will descend to minimum altitude and go directly into an auxiliary field at Eglin AFB where arrangements will have been made to evacuate the passengers and return the aircraft to its original status. The drone aircraft meanwhile will continue to fly the filed flight plan. When over Cuba the drone will being transmitting on the international distress frequency a "MAY DAY" message stating he is under attack by Cuban MIG aircraft. The transmission will be interrupted by destruction of the aircraft which will be triggered by radio signal. This will allow ICAO radio stations in the Western Hemisphere to tell the US what has happened to the aircraft instead of the US trying to " sell" the incident.

9. It Is possible to create an incident which will make it appear that Communist Cuban MIGs have destroyed a USAF aircraft over international waters in an unprovoked attack.

a. Approximately 4 or 5 F-101 aircraft will be dispatched in trail from Homestead AFB, Florida, to the vicinity of Cuba. Their mission will be to reverse course and simulate fakir aircraft for an air defense exercise in southern Florida. These aircraft would conduct variations of these flights at frequent Intervals. Crews would be briefed to remain at least 12 miles off the Cuban coast; however, they would be required to carry live ammunition in the event that hostile actions were taken by the Cuban MIGs.
b. On one such flight, a pre-briefed pilot would fly tail-end Charley at considerable interval between aircraft. While near the Cuban Island this pilot would broadcast that he had been jumped by MIGs and was going down. No other calls would be made. The pilot would then fly directly west at extremely low altitude and land at a secure base, an Eglin auxiliary. The aircraft would be met by the proper people, quickly stored and given a new tail number. The pilot who had performed the mission under an alias, would resume his proper identity and return to his normal place of business. The pilot and aircraft would then have disappeared.

c. At precisely the same time that the aircraft was presumably shot down a submarine or small surface craft would disburse F-101 parts, parachute, etc., at approximately 15 to 20 miles off the Cuban coast and depart. The pilots returning to Homestead would have a true story as far as they knew. Search ships and aircraft could be dispatched and parts of aircraft


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Re: The eons old modus operandi [Re: cmonty72] #909632 12/23/08 01:51 AM
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You guys are really funny...... this (or most any truth) is really simple:

1) Witnesses on the ground said the plane crashed into the Pentagon.

2) Boeing 757 debris is all over the crash site.

3) The passengers were found dead inside the Pentagon.

You're still saying a plane didn't crash into the Pentagon?

Santa's Watching this Conspiracy Theory

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Re: The eons old modus operandi [Re: FrankR] #909633 12/23/08 03:22 AM
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Old school tactics.


Original document here


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Re: The eons old modus operandi [Re: FrankR] #909634 12/23/08 03:50 AM
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Santa's Watching this Conspiracy Theory


Hate to break it to ya Frank but Santa isn't real. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/ignore.gif" alt="" />


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Re: The eons old modus operandi [Re: bretwalda] #909635 12/23/08 06:15 AM
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June 1, 2001. Shoot down orders protocol changed. Sole responsibility of the Secretary of Defense. Field commanders stripped of any and all authority to act. Rescinded after 9-11.


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Re: The eons old modus operandi [Re: bretwalda] #909636 12/23/08 10:38 AM
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Original document here


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June 1, 2001. Shoot down orders protocol changed. Sole responsibility of the Secretary of Defense.


That sort of stuff has about as much to do with the events of Flight 77 as the Emancipation Proclamation. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />

1) Eyewitnesses saw the plane crash into the Pentagon.
2) Boeing 757 debris was found inside the Pentagon crash site.
3) The passengers from Flight 77 were in the wreckage.

Do you think that sane people are going to believe that's not true because you point out that:

1) The government employs liars?
2) Tactical think tank members sometimes concoct crazy ideas?
3) We have cruise missiles available?

You might as well say you can prove a plane didn't hit the Pentagon because Pizza Hut once ran out of pepperoni. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />

Frank


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Re: The eons old modus operandi [Re: FrankR] #909637 12/23/08 11:47 PM
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LOLZ @ 'tactical think tank members'. It was the Joint Chiefs of Staff. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> Reviewed by the Sec of Defense. Kennedy sacked him.

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1) Eyewitnesses saw the plane crash into the Pentagon.
2) Boeing 757 debris was found inside the Pentagon crash site.
3) The passengers from Flight 77 were in the wreckage.


1) The majority of eyewitness didn't see the plane crash into the building. They saw a plane, then they saw an explosion. The topography of the Pentagon site and surrounding area (in a depression) makes viewing the ground levels of the Pentagon where it was impacted difficult from any perspective. Still others saw it fly over. So to selectively use witnesses that claim they saw it hit is...selective.

2) No evidence has ever been produced to demonstrate a 60+ ton 757 crashed into the building. None. Furthermore, the coincidence theory explanation for the small impact damage is explained within the context that the airliner "vaporized", "liquified", "disintegrated" on impact - Which directly contradicts any possibility of your #3 claim. We have a wheel - that fits the specs of a multitude of aircraft. We have one engine rotor that doesn't fit the specs of a 757 or a 757 APU - according to the manufacturers statements when asked. Futhermore, unless it is a Purdue design 757, this plane has two engines 6-7 tons each, comprised mostly of titanium. One very small, undersized rotor doesn't cut it for an explanation that a 757 hit the building:

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3)Since there is no proof that the wreckege was from AA 77, there can hardly be proof of its passengers. What is claimed is 100% hearsay. There is no source for the claim. There is no proof of the claim. And of course - such a claim contradicts the official claim in #2. There are photos of victims that were released as evidence photos in the Mousauii trail I believe - they are victims that were in the building - why not show us these victims strapped in the seats?

And of course - Why not show us the 80+ tapes?

I'll tell you why:

North of the Citgo, north of the light poles.

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Re: The eons old modus operandi [Re: bretwalda] #909638 12/24/08 02:36 AM
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Perhaps it'll help if I use the same logic as you do:

Plane Crashes Into Building

From that we can deduct that planes fly into buildings, so therefore Flight 77 indeed crashed into the Pentagon.

Frank


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Re: The eons old modus operandi [Re: FrankR] #909639 12/24/08 04:18 AM
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Not if people saw it fly beyond the pentagon - and over the river.

Its like this Frank

Reread Operation Northwoods.

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Re: The eons old modus operandi [Re: bretwalda] #909640 12/24/08 01:25 PM
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From Northwoods to 9-11 is a leap in logic and completely irrelevant.

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Not if people saw it fly beyond the pentagon - and over the river.


That would be some sleight of hand...... even for David Copperfield. How large would a hand need to be to palm a 757? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> Since there are 2 groups of people who saw different things, it's reasonable to assume that one group is mistaken. If you want to assume that the plane flew over the Pentagon, then for your version to be plausible, you need to answer 2 questions with witnesses:

1) What became of the plane?

2) What became of the people?

The official story answers those 2 questions - so if you want any credibility at all, you'll need an alternative completion to the story line.

Let's hear it.

Frank

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