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Everything wasn't incinerated, despite mis-statements of witnesses and/or Truthers. Plenty of plane parts and some charred remains of passengers remained - of course, those plane parts don't fit the Truther's version of events.


Of course, those parts don't fit a 757 version of an airplane either <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />...unless you and Pop Mechanics have seen things the rest of us are allowed to see. Post some pics of these parts for us Frank. Lets see the obvious proof that a 757 hit the building. There's plenty of pics out there - you pick - show us the proof.

...But here again you sidestep. I'm talking about 13 independently interviewed witnesses that unanimously describe the exact same flight path that the FAA affirms. Each one even draws his perspective of the flight path on an arial map. They were not Truthers, they couldn't have unanimously misstated the same thing. So the coincidence theorists resort to an accusation of 'lies'. Remember, the government doesn't lie - only those that question the government. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/patriot.gif" alt="" />

Of course the FAA account is a huge problem for establishment apologists - because there is no way then that the light poles could have been knocked down - which begs the question, if it didn't - then what did? So now all of a sudden government data is selectively unreliable. We must find a means of obfuscating for this revelation. Aha! Radar data is bunk!

So lets take a look. When we look at the data and communications regarding this animation of the plane flying in north of the Citgo we find that this data is compiled from no less than four separate Radar TERMINAL APPROACH CONTROLS. These systems triangulate through multiple radars as well as transpond data between the aircraft and radars. Why? Because the system has to be accurate. Why? Because it is the key feature for regulating inbound aircraft and blending new incoming flights into the approach pattern. Not only that, but the closer to these radar systems, the more accurate the calculations. The Pentagon is about 3000ft from Reagan International Airport. Sorry Frank - "clutter" doesn't cut it. The evidence and eyewitness testimony affirms the huge holes in the official story.

Of course you can't even touch the NTSB data - because it is irrefutable - THE FLIGHT DATA RECORDER information puts the plane at 400 ft above the Pentagon at its impact point. This isn't 'radar clutter'. Its gathered from onboard systems including altimeter.

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The rest of your questions are irrelevant..... and a feeble attempt by Truthers to say "Just look at this and ignore the man behind the curtain."


Well of course they're irrelevant - you've made up your mind. Bin Laden did it! We'll get into Tim Osman aka OBL shortly <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

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How would you expect people to pull off such a massive plan like that and expect it wouldnt leak out?


As I've said before - they didn't pull it off. We wouldn't be arguing about it if they did. And it did leak out - extensively.

Look into these people:
Indira Singh
Coleen Rowley,Division Counsel; FBI
House Rep (R) Curt Weldon and Able Danger
Sibel Edmonds, Language Specialist; FBI - recent documentary
John O Neil in conjunction with Jerry Hauer
Federal air marshal Bogdan Dzakovic
John M. Cole, Former Veteran Intelligence Operations Specialist; FBI
John Vincent, Special Agent, Counterterrorism; FBI
Robert Wright, Special Agent, Counterterrorism; FBI
Behrooz Sarshar, Language Specialist; FBI
Mike German, Special Agent, Counterterrorism; FBI
Gilbert Graham, Special Agent, Counterintelligence; FBI
Lieutenant Colonel Anthony Shaffer, DIA - responsible for Able Danger
Dick Stoltz, Special Agent; ATF
Randy Glass, funny how criminal informants are selectively dismissed or lauded depending on the agenda.

These are just some of more high profile figures. All of them (with the exception of O'Neil who coincidentally died in the towers) gave advanced warning regarding activities and/or people relating to the 9-11 plot. All of them turned away by their own agencies. All of their testimony either refused or redacted by the 9-11 Commission. And we aren't even scratching the surface. Mounds of leaked information, mounds of testimony by those on the inside who refuse to disclose their identity, etc.

Nonetheless, you're rationalizing that a trillion dollar megaplex of personnel, technology, and information available to those at the top with stated plans for a military and geopolitical revolution couldn't possibly pull off 9-11, couldn't conceive of it (see the Operation Northwoods documents)...and yet 19 guys and a kingpin hiding out out in a cave with a dialysis machine did - cuz they 'hate our freedums. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/drunk.gif" alt="" />

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