Where is the plane is not the point. Where is the evidence that a plane hit the building? If it hit it where is it? The burden of proof is not on the one that says there is no evidence - its on the claim that says a 757 hit it. So lets see it. Lets see the footage. Lets see the wreckage. If its a slam dunk these should be very simple to provide.

The plane wasn't flying in between buildings. Regardless...So the FAA's data cannot be trusted. But it can be trusted for other radar anomalies that happened that day? The NTSB flight data recorder cannot be trusted - but we can trust them regarding FL 93? Its silly. Its being selective with the evidence. The official selectivity of the evidence suggests the evidence they provide is not to be trusted.

I've worked with surveillance systems for years- I can tell you that a time stamped video does not reverse its time stamp. Rolls Royce made the engines for this plane - they say the single rotor found in the wreckage isn't from them. So what's what?

Its like finding a body with a bullet hole in the head and being told the victim fell in a rock crusher. If he was killed by gun then where's the gun? How should I know? Its not the point. The evidence is the point and the evidence that the victim was killed by a rock crusher stinks on every level.

I don't have to provide a gun to make my claim - the dude has a hole in his head, and his body's condition is not consistent with one that would go through a rock crusher.

What coincidence apologists will do - as we see here - is beat the false claim horse to death. All other evidence is 'irrelevent'. They must stick to single point or their argument becomes ridiculous. And they must keep that point as confined as possible. Frank won't show us wreckage of a 757 from the Pentagon because there is none. There's pieces of an aircraft, but there are many types of aircraft that fit these pieces. Nor would we want to see what it looked like in there because we would realize how inconceivably ridiculous it is to state that there were 'passengers still strapped in their seats." There's pictures of victims found in the Pentagon - provided by the government. Where are pics of the passengers?



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Only problem I see, is how the news isn't reporting on it. I mean if it had any real credibility the news would be all over this.


I think you've answered your own dilemma. Dan Rather admitting he and everyone else is a sucker in their trade:

"There's never been an American war, small or large, in which access has been so limited as this one. The belief runs so strong, in both the political and military leadership, that those who control the images will control public opinion. It's an obscene comparison but there was a time in South Africa when people would put flaming tires around people's necks if they dissented. The fear is that you will be necklaced here, you will have a flaming tire of lack of patriotism put around your neck. Now, it's that fear that keeps journalists from asking the toughest of the tough questions and to continue to bore in on the tough questions so often...I knew the right question, but no one...This is not exactly the right time to ask...It starts with a feeling of patriotism within oneself. They realize what an entertainment-oriented society ours has become. I want to say it quietly, but as forcefully as I can, that I hope this doesn't go any further. It's gone too far already. I am appalled by it."

We've had 3 suitcases in parks here detonated by the bomb squads in the last couple years. We've had blocks of cheese with rebar and wires run through security at the airport here. Never to be heard of again. So I went up to a reporter here one day and asked him WTF? "Followup was killed by corporate and Homeland Security" was his reply. And he gets all scared and bugged eyed eyed with me and starts lecturing how its for our saftey. Stupid. That isn't a journalist thats a yes man. A gatekeeper who just needs a paycheck. I dealt with these morons all summer running for state assembly. It was actually quite fun - actually had a fellow reporter of one who interviewed me tell me to "Lay off" his buddy. And they loved it after the interviews when I told them I had recorded the conversation and would be posting it on my site. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />

There's still investigative journalism going on but you won't find it in megamedia.

Has any reporter ever asked our government why, if Bin Laden did it, is he not wanted by any agency for crimes relating to 9-11? Of course not. An indie reporter did ask the FBI why 9-11 isn't on his wanted poster and the FBI told him, "The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden's most wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11."

Is that really a surprise when the only civilian plane allowed to fly after 9-11 was the Bin Laden's chartered jet?

Is that really a surprise when we l...ently as 1999 in the Albania and Bosnia?.

Is really a surprise that Obama's c...all the cred for creating this monster?

Is it really a surprise that the Bu...he Bin Ladens and own companies together?

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"We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time magazine, and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during these years. But the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government which will never again know war, but only peace and prosperity for the whole of humanity. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in the past centuries. It is also our duty to inform the press of our convictions as to the historic future of the century."

-David Rockefeller - Trilateral Commission 1991


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