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Re: Which tire for 95% pavement, 5% snow (tahoe)?
[Re: Brianawd]
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11/03/08 08:01 AM
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Sorry to disagree.
I see a lot of votes for the BFG AT's. I was not happy with them in snow, I thought they <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/ignore.gif" alt="" />
To find something differant...
I used two sources for info, one was the consumer reports tests where they compared AT tires under differant conditions including snow, ice dry pavement and tested them for rolling resistance.
While they didnt test the AT they did test the rugged trail T/A's and they finished second to last.
Tops for snow were
Kumho Road Venture AS KL78 was the top tire for snow, bridgstone Dueler A/T Revo was good (but pricy), Nitto Terra Grappler rates highly for snow as well.
BFG long trail was the second to the worst tire of the all seasons test for snow traction but great for tread life ( it might be that BFG compunds are just a bit too hard for cold weather). I think BFG is running on reputation and there are better tires. Off road the BFG's are very tough.
Also read the reviews on tire rack. While not scientific you can spot trends if something is really good or really bad.
Some love them , some hate them... . Also not all of the BFG AT's get a snow rating, I think the tires just makes the rating with a couple of sizes not passing.
Thats what I found.
IMHO there are better choices than what I got for snow, I went for max wet weather performance with out too much of a compromise elsewhere.
Also from the Consumer reports test the Michelin LTX M/S rates very well. It's an all season, not sure what sizes it comes in either.
Kevin
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Re: Which tire for 95% pavement, 5% snow (tahoe)?
[Re: off-roader]
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11/03/08 08:08 AM
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I have to say, the best tire I ever used would be the Peerless Widetrack Baja AT. Last year when commuting in the poconos I was in 8 inch snow storms in 2wd and doing the posted speed with 0 problems. Not even a hint of sliding around. I took them offroad a month or so ago on the Raider and they grip in ALL conditions. Will buy again for sure. Nicer looking tread than the BFG AT as well. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />
Richard E 1989 Montero - Stock-ish 1989 V6 Auto Raider - 5.3 Vortech Swap. 1987 Mitsubishi Starion 2.6t, soon to be 3.5 1983 Honda XL600R
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Re: Which tire for 95% pavement, 5% snow (tahoe)?
[Re: Kevin C]
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11/03/08 11:09 AM
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I also vote for the Yokohamas over the BFG. The rubber compound is way better. Up here where we get 7 months of winter type conditions, the trucks with BFGs are what are towed out of the ditches.
Cheers, Charlie If It ain't broke, Modify it! 87 Montero turbo Converted back in Spring1989 95 Montero SR 3.8 DOHC Only one? 93 Pajero 3 door 6G75 Mivec with paddle shifted 5 speed Then a Gen2 SR with full coil independent suspension.
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Re: Which tire for 95% pavement, 5% snow (tahoe)?
[Re: off-roader]
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11/03/08 03:34 PM
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well, im actually wondering if more of a truck tire versus off road tire (even an AT tire) would be fine for my needs? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/scared.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> I still stand behind my experiences with Michelin LTX M/S then. To the point even, taht I was eying them in 32x11.50, that is until they stopped making them in that size. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> I found them to be fantastic in snow and rain. Got a solid 70k of usable miles, and another 20k of no-deep-snow usage. When I first wheeled in Wellsville, the Monty and the M/Ss surprised a few of the locals there...
Big Truck: 00, 3.5, Endeavor, 5-Spd drive line in hand! Little Truck: 87, 2.6T I/C, MT, LSDs, Tonneau Top Her Truck: 03, 3.8, 20th Anniv, 65k Daughter's: 06 Eclipse, Keeping it Mitsu! FSMs: MitsubishiLinks.com
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Re: Which tire for 95% pavement, 5% snow (tahoe)?
[Re: MontyMcV]
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11/03/08 04:57 PM
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Ray, Lots of good advice here! Some of it needs to be filtered by region though. Around here (and most places) the "basic Jeep mentality" is that it's gotta be BFG's. But around here it's common for the guys that have them to comment that they don't work in slippery/wet very well, though they do last a lot of miles. I think you'll find those of us who live with lots of rain are less than impressed. In the dry, they seem to run forever, and almost any tire will hold dry pavement! Phil's had good results with them, but in his area the snow is very dry, and not really the slick wet stuff we get on the coast. Otherwise, the BFG's seem to be tougher to balance than they should, and their QC seems on the decline. Both my Yoko's and Nitto's were easy to balance. I'm inclined to "ditto" Kevin's comments, and recommend trying something else for a change. Since you have a set of serious off-road tires, try something more road-friendly, like the truck tires, or the milder A/T's. I wanted to add a set of more hiway-friendly tires this spring, to complement the Yoko M/T's, and had narrowed it down to the Yoko A/T's and the Nitto Terra Grappler A/T. I went with the Nitto's, but they may not make them in 31's. Another consideration is that when I took the Nitto A/T's on a steep (wet) trail, they performed so well that I'm now thinking that I may not need the Yoko M/T's anymore. While the M/T's were fantastic off road, and in the wet and snow, they were noisy and wore quickly on the pavement. The Nitto's seem a better balance for the expected work-load.
Don `87 Mitsu 2dr, Rubicon survivor, GModified.
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Re: Which tire for 95% pavement, 5% snow (tahoe)?
[Re: don]
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11/03/08 05:31 PM
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The wife's truck came with Yoko ATs. There definitely were nice. Since it's her ride though, went with the Michelins for replacements, as stated above. I already had the BFG ATs on the SWB, and acquired used with <100 miles for a good price. Would have looked at the Yokos too I'm sure.
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Re: Which tire for 95% pavement, 5% snow (tahoe)?
[Re: MontyMcV]
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11/03/08 05:47 PM
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I had a set of the Michelins. I could seemingly not wear them out. Of course, we don't get a lot of rain here, but I recall they did quite well, and I did have a couple of occasions to use them in the snow, Sedona, Four Peaks and a trail in Colorado out north of Chama, NM. No problems at all there. They also balanced nicely.
I had 31/10.5's, set of five, rotated them all in.
John B.
'87 Raider 2.6 Turbo Auto, Under Construction '95 Montero SR, 35x12.5/15 BFG M/T KM-2's, Rock sliders, Qtr panel chop, gas tank lift, 2" BL, Aisins, 5.29s '95 Pajero Mini '98 Montero Winter Ed. '04 Cadillac XLR '03 Kawasaki ZRX1200R '60 Ford Falcon 4Dr
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Re: Which tire for 95% pavement, 5% snow (tahoe)?
[Re: JohnnyBfromPeoria]
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11/03/08 06:45 PM
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WHen I was talking with the rep when gettign the wifey's, he said he has customers with fleet Econoline work vans that go through tires like mad. Something with the van he says. He also the only one they can't kill are the LTXs.
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Re: Which tire for 95% pavement, 5% snow (tahoe)?
[Re: MontyMcV]
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11/03/08 08:25 PM
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well, im actually wondering if more of a truck tire versus off road tire (even an AT tire) would be fine for my needs? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/scared.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> I still stand behind my experiences with Michelin LTX M/S then. To the point even, taht I was eying them in 32x11.50, that is until they stopped making them in that size. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> I found them to be fantastic in snow and rain. Got a solid 70k of usable miles, and another 20k of no-deep-snow usage. When I first wheeled in Wellsville, the Monty and the M/Ss surprised a few of the locals there... I'm going to ditto this. My Land Cruiser is running Michelin LTX M/S and it's glued to the road with the full time 4WD. I've had it in Yosemite with 4-6 inches of snow on the road with great results.
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Re: Which tire for 95% pavement, 5% snow (tahoe)?
[Re: Kevin C]
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11/03/08 09:09 PM
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I replaced my BFG ATs with a set of the new Yokohohama ATS last winter and can only say good things about them. On my truck they outperform the BFGs in every respect but in Canadian Winters they really shine.
I was driving 130 miles a day throughout the Canadian rocky mountains during winter last year with my JDM Pajero running the new Yoko ATS. Also did several runs 1000 miles roundtrip across the province wich involves driving through 5 different high mountain passes. I never lost traction once in the snow and the only time I would touch the transfer lever is for putting it into all wheel drive when it got really icy or I was driving the road before the plow.
If you want an all terrains for winter driving, you can't go wrong with these.
The BFGs might be better for wear though. I have put 30K miles on the Yokos in the last year rotating at every oil change and I am down to 12/32 from 18/32 which isn't bad if you ask me. I am planning on getting a set of the MTs for next summer and using the ATS for winters.
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