Exactly.

That and the fact that control over that force is entirely under the Federal government instead of the state and local governments. This point gets lost in a lot of discussions, but the founders specificly wanted to limit the power of the Federal government because they knew it would the hardest form of government for the people to control and it would represent the interest of the people the least. While the local governments are elected by and controlled by fewer individuals, giving individuals better control over their government and their destiny.

On some level, the FBI shouldn't even really exist, but at least the FBI is generally limited to investigating specificly Federal and interstate crimes that transcent local juristicans.

The problem with this plan is that it involves or at least potentially involves federal military troops patrolling streets and quelling American social unrest and generally doing the job that should be done exclusively by local police.

If we need more police, then we should be hiring more police. Not using the military.

Another thing. I've heard that each state's National Guard unit already has a full time anti-terror/nuclear unit specificly for those extreme situations. If true, then it further prove this federalization of our local police is not needed.

You are a JERK, A card carrying Jerk!!

What do you think those National Guard guy's and Gal's have been doing these last 7 or 8 years. If you would pull you head out of you <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/butwiggle.gif" alt="" /> you might have notice.

Thank you, was thinking the same thing. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

So your saying National Guardsmen can't hold a candle to the "full timers"? Tell that to one of them and watch them break your jaw. A Guardsman has a stake in the state they work in and you would think they would treat their fellow statesmen with more respect than just what a "full timer" would consider a post.

Next time you decide to make comments like that, pull your head out of your ass and think about what your saying first.

I think it's a pretty common way of referring to the NG among fulltime Army, and cops. Most cops are wanna be soldiers on some level. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Ben Franklin



That's unfortunately not correct. Militarizing the police, and training the military in domestic policing - WITH the police, WITH foreign troops, has been a mainstay here in USA for about 15 years now.

Methodical conditioning - conditioning you (and law enforcement) to accept that a militarized surveillance and 'security' grid is acceptable in a nation of supposedly free people...And it's working. Just look at some of the posts here! Germany 1933 anyone?

This documentary was done pre-2000....ced, usually in the middle of the night.

The previous link I posted a few days ago expounds on more of the recent activity including the FBI disseminating sermon outlines for clergy to preach an 'acceptance of martial law' version of Romans Chapter 13. There has been martial law exercises in Ohio, Arizona, Indiana and a massive one in Denver this past year...'Terror drills'. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

FEMA - Christians and Founding Fathers = Terrorists

Why does FEMA have millions of plastic coffins in TX, GA and WY?...the lots we know about. Why was only the 5th closed door congressional session in the history of our nation conducted this last March? To discuss wiretapping? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />

Now all we need is an 'event' to convince you that big engorging, murdering, criminal, incompetent, FEDERAL government is here to save you from the big scary boogeyman terrorist.

I've never heard a cop make any reference to the NG in that way whatsoever and I've been around and worked with plenty in my life. In fact, many cops ARE national guardsman.

A police officer is going to welcome any back up he can get in a serious situation, so I'm sure they are generally happy with any national guard or even active military help. The only time they might get testy is if they are being replaced by NG or active troops to the point where they actually risk losing their jobs or even overtime.

On the other hand, I do also work with guys who were ex-active military and yes, some of them have nothing good to say about NG or reserves for some reason. Sounds to like the same thing you have between Marines and Navy and Army and Air Force. Everyone hates everyone else, but when the shyt hits the fan, they're all Americans and they'll all glad they're on the same team.

I'm not qualified to comment about any of this, so I'll stay out of this debate, but let's not overreact too much and get off track over the real issue here.

Bretwalda is correct that the local police are being para-militarized to some degree. I know the conspiracy theories, but at least on the surface, it's more a reaction to the threat of the higher crime and more bold criminals. Only a few years ago, the standard issue sidearm for most cops was a 6 shot .38 special and an 870 shotgun with 4 rounds. The reason all that changed was events that took place that caused the police to be outgunned and so they reacted with high capacity semi-auto handguns, higher capacity shotguns and eventually AR15s and mini-14s. And lately, the trend has been to start going to militarized uniforms, which are far more comfortable. I know it looks bad and I totally agree that the Feds are definately getting involved in coordination and training of local law enforcement, but to the average officer, it's mostly about their personal safety.

You may not see it in your lives, but there a whole other world out there that the general public never sees or experiences or has any clue exists. These cops live through that world everyday and while it may seem like some crime in some areas has gone down, for many cops the job has only gotten harder. What's gone down is crime to you or what is reported. But for the cops, things are only getting more and more dangerous everyday.

Unfortunately this is sort of a no win situation. If the cops don't gear up with what they need, they are in greater danger. I don't think additional cops is avoidable. What I would rather see is more civilian cops that remain under local control and not military soldiers supplanting them, under federal and military control.

Denver International Airport will be a staging area for MArtial Law. When they built the Airport they spent ridiculous amounts of money on construction of a tent. They actually dug out much of the earth and have many levels of secret bunkers/cells under the facility. They also built a longer runway(longer than whats needed for commercial jets) then covered it with dirt. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> After going way over budget and they still had no airport they had to throw up something quick so we have a tent over a huge underground facility that poses/operates as an airport until the instituition is needed for an underground prison. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/zombie.gif" alt="" />

I'm not kidding. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

Doesn't matter if it has been a mainstay, it doesn't work well for either force. You can't really train a person to be able to operate as both a combat individual and as a police officer, reactions to hostile situations require completely different responses, and unfortunately the combat force training almost always over rides the police training, it is human nature. That is why most law enforcement agencies have both a patrol force and a tactical force, the mindset/training needed for each are completely different.

As to the NG statement, I have often heard my friends who are/or were once in the military say the same thing, "Toy Warriors" is what a buddy of mine who is an ex-marine refers to them as, and continued to do so even after he signed up as a reservist after leaving the Marines. However his opinion as well as most of the others has changed since the NG has been used extensively in Iraq and Afghanistan. He still refers to them as "Toy Warriors" as before, but his tone is the same as when he talks about Army, AF, or Navy personnel, i.e., more respectful than discriminatory.